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 January 24, 1974





WE ARE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. WE WOULD SAY A FEW WORDS ON A SUBJECT THAT HAS NOT BEEN BROACHED. WE FEEL THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT [it], AND PERHAPS IT WILL GIVE RISE TO SOME QUESTIONS.

WHEN THE LIFE CYCLE IS THROWN IN MOTION ON ANY GIVEN WORLD, IT IS LEFT ALONE FOR MANY CENTURIES TO EVOLVE UNMOLESTED AND UNDISTURBED. WHEN A DOMINANT SPECIES FINALLY STABILIZES, WE BEGIN TO MONITOR THIS SPECIES. WHEN THE ANIMAL BECOMES SUFFICIENTLY DOMESTICATED, AND IS TAUGHT BASIC SURVIVAL TECHNIQUES, INFANT SOULS ARE CAST. THE DINOSAUR DID NOT EMERGE AS THE DOMINANT SPECIES. INSTEAD, A CARNIVORE, A MAMMALIAN, UPRIGHT APE DID. THE INFANT SOULS WERE NOT INITIALLY CAST UNTIL THE DOMINANT CREATURE HAD EVOLVED INTO ONE WHERE THE CEREBRAL CAPACITY WAS SUFFICIENT FOR LEARNING.

Where does intellect enter in?

INTELLIGENCE IS CULTURALLY INDUCED, FOR THE MOST PART. SCHOLARSHIP IS NOT VALUED IN ALL CULTURES, BUT SURVIVAL REQUIRES INTELLIGENCE OF ANOTHER SORT.

Could you clarify if an ape evolved into a more intelligent being?

BOTH SPECIES EVOLVED SEPARATELY. THE HOMO SAPIENS VARIETY IS SEPARATED AND DISTINCT, SAY, FROM THE GORILLA GORILLA.

We were human to begin with.

THERE WAS A PROTOTYPE HOMO SAPIENS THAT NONE HERE WOULD RECOGNIZE, SAME AS WITH EOHIPPUS. THERE WAS ALSO A PROTOTYPE GORILLA. THEIR EVOLUTION IS ALSO COMPLETE.

Of what consequence is this to us now?

WE FEEL THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS INFORMATION. YOU WILL BE ASKED.

Our soul has been said to have always been in existence. Would this be equivalent to Genesis where we were thrown out of “Paradise” — a creation purely spiritual — into the [physical] world?

THAT IS VALID.

The second chapter of Genesis tells of God making a body out of earth.

THIS CHAPTER II EXPLAINS THE EMERSION OF THE SOUL IN THE BODY OF THE DOMINANT CREATURE, YES.

Could I ask for information about what a Pragmatist is?

THIS ATTITUDE EMPHASIZES THE PRACTICAL, “REAL” SIDE OF NATURE, MANY TIMES TO THE POINT OF DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF OTHER EXTERNAL FORCES. IN THIS LADY THIS IS SOMEWHAT MODIFIED BY THE SPIRITUAL ROLE [of Priest].

Going back to the origin of man, I find the source of my trouble is awareness of self in contrast to intellect, as an individual.

THAT IS VALID. THAT IS WHERE ALL OF THE PROBLEMS ARE. YOU ARE RIGHT ON THAT. WE HAVE SAID MUCH ABOUT ALIENATION, AND ONE OF ITS CAUSES IS THIS AWARENESS OF SELF AS A SEPARATE AND UNIQUE BEING IN A HOSTILE UNIVERSE. WE HAVE ALSO SAID THAT THE UNIVERSE IS NOT HOSTILE — IT IS COMPLETELY NEUTRAL. MAN’S SEPARATISM IS AN ILLUSION, PART OF MAYA FOR THE ESSENCE TO OVERCOME ON THE UPWARD CLIMB. YOU ARE NOW BEGINNING TO REORGANIZE YOUR PERCEPTIONS TO INCLUDE THE LARGER WHOLE. ALL OLD SOULS DO. YOUR OWN MANIFESTATION HAS BEEN PROTRACTED BY YOUR OWN DESIGN. IT HAS TAKEN YOU A LONG TIME TO QUESTION THIS, AND YOU MUST STILL ASK MANY QUESTIONS, AS THERE IS STILL A HIATUS IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

I would like to ask “how” to apply the knowledge to the work I am doing at the hospital, and if people’s style of dreaming has in it a clue to their soul.

NO, [dreaming is not a clue to their soul,] BUT THEIR ABILITY TO RECALL [past lives] AND DESCRIBE [them] IS. MUCH OF THE TIME SPENT IN “DREAMING” IS, IN REALITY, TIME SPENT ON THE ASTRAL PLANE. THE AMOUNT OF DREAMING ACTUALLY INCREASES AS THE SOUL AGES, AND THE ABILITY TO RECALL BECOMES ACUTE IN THE MATURE AND OLD CYCLES. MOST SOULS WHO HAVE DEFINITELY RECURRING DREAMS ARE MATURE AND OLD SOULS. BABY SOULS DREAM MUNDANE DREAMS, AS THIS IS THE STYLE OF THEIR LIVES. YOUNG SOULS DREAM EXCITING AND OFTEN ROMANTIC DREAMS, [in] WHICH THEY ARE OFTEN THE “DRAGON SLAYER”. THE MATURE SOULS OFTEN DREAM DREAMS OF VIOLENCE AND DEATH, AND MANY TIMES THEIR DREAMS ARE REPLETE WITH RELIGIOUS SYMBOLISM. OLD SOULS OFTEN DREAM OF INCIDENTS FROM THEIR REMOTE PAST [lives].

Are there reasons for not dreaming?

FATIGUE IS ONE, BUT EVERYONE DREAMS PART OF THE NIGHT. VOLTAIRE, WE BELIEVE, SAID NOT. TRUTHS ARE FOR ALL MEN. THIS IS VALID AND MANY EFFECTIVELY BLOCK OUT ALL UNACCEPTABLE INFORMATION ACQUIRED DURING DREAMING.

Can imagination [unrealistic fantasy, Maya] be stopped during dreaming?

IT IS POSSIBLE TO STOP IMAGINATION DURING DREAMING, YES.

I dreamed I poked my sister-in-law in the teeth and that is exactly how I felt.

What is the difference between dreams that are imaginative and those that are ”real”?

THERE IS A SENSORY INPUT IN DREAMS THAT ARE RECALL [of past lives]. THE PATIENT WILL DESCRIBE SMELLS AND TACTILE SENSATIONS AS BEING EXTREMELY VIVID. RECALLS ARE THREE-DIMENSIONAL.

I feel dreams are a commentary of your life, of the stresses and strains at the moment. A dream can tell you where you are. We all want to categorize dreams. I’m saying that this can’t be done as each dream has to be individually analyzed.

THIS MAN IS A BONA FIDE IDEALIST.

Clarification please.

YOU PERCEIVE THE WORLD IN TERMS OF ITS IDEAL STATE, AND BASE YOUR ACTIONS THEREIN. IT IS NOT NAIVETÉ, NO.

I [an Idealist] expect people to perform a certain way and never can quite see that they do not mean what I hear them to say. I see Idealism as being able to perceive things as they could be and trying to pursue that.

THAT IS VALID.

A Cynic thinks everyone has an ulterior motive. [The editor thinks this comment applys better to a Skeptic in the negative pole of Suspicion].

The vision quest I took on Saturday was enlightening, and I would like to go through it again, but I feel I would like to have a trained psychologist for a guide this time.

WHY THE PROVISION ON PROFESSION? SOME WHO HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE PROPER CREDENTIALS ARE MUCH MORE SKILLED IN THIS. OFTEN A TRUSTED FRIEND BECOMES THE BEST GUIDE. ANY MEMBER OF THIS GROUP WHO HAS TAKEN A SIMILAR JOURNEY WOULD SUFFICE.

I feel I am my own worst enemy and I want Michael’s help.

THAT IS VALID. WE THINK THAT YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF RIGHT NOW, S.S. NONE OF THE CONFLICTS YOU ARE NOW EXPERIENCING ARE KARMIC, AND THE SUFFERING IS NEEDLESS. ACCEPT THE GUIDANCE OF THOSE WHO WOULD GIVE FREELY OF THEIR TIME AND COMPANY, AND RECONSTRUCT YOUR LIFE AROUND THIS NEW SUPERSTRUCTURE. YOU WILL FIND THE MEANING YOU SEEK. YOU CAN ALTER YOUR GOAL AND CHANGE THINGS FOR YOURSELF IN A MOST POSITIVE WAY BY TAKING WHAT IS OFFERED INSTEAD OF CHASING RAINBOWS THAT HAVE ALREADY FADED. THIS ADVICE CAN BE TAKEN TO HEART BY OTHERS HERE ALSO, BUT YOU ARE NOW DWELLING IN FANTASY [typical for Idealists], AND YOU MUST TAKE THE STEP THAT WILL LIBERATE YOU FROM THIS. IF YOU FOLLOW OUR ADVICE, YOU CANNOT FAIL TO CHANGE IT — IT IS GUARANTEED.

How can I resolve my guilt feelings?

JUST KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN NO WAY RESPONSIBLE — YOU CANNOT HOLD YOURSELF [responsible] FOR THE ACTIONS OF OTHERS. HOWEVER, WE DO SUGGEST THAT IN THE FUTURE, YOU BE A BIT MORE OPEN ABOUT YOUR OWN FEELINGS FROM THE BEGINNING.

Is it because of my Priest Role that I have trouble accepting the work of other nurses? Why do I expect so much of them and other people? I do not like it when they are careless.

AS [a] PRIEST YOU NATURALLY EXPECT OTHERS TO MEASURE UP TO YOUR OWN EXALTED STANDARDS. YOU ARE ALSO AN IDEALIST AND WITH [the] GOAL OF DOMINANCE [which makes this tendency even worse].

I feel that the cohesion of the group is not strong enough. I don’t feel the advice given is enough to hold us together.

THERE IS A DEFINITE STRIVING TOWARD COHESION BETWEEN AT LEAST FIVE MEMBERS IN THIS GROUP. THE ADVICE MUST NOW BE EXTRACTED FROM THE MIDDLE OF MATERIAL YOU HAVE RECEIVED AND SPELLED OUT TO THOSE WHO HAVE NOT JOINED FORCES. WE FEEL THAT YOU AND SEVERAL OTHERS ARE CAPABLE OF EXTRACTING THE ESSENCE OF THIS TEACHING SO FAR, AND GIVING IT TO THE OTHERS. IF THEY ACCEPT IT, THEN THAT IS GOOD. IF NOT, THEN YOU MUST KNOW THAT WE WERE NOT THEIR TEACHER.

Our move seems to be reason for division.

PART OF THIS TEACHING CONSISTS OF ELIMINATING THE ISOLATION AND THE DUPLICATION OF ENERGIES. IF THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, THEN IT IS NOT THE TEACHING FOR THEM.

I would like to ask, since being told I was a Stoic, and have looked back over my life, about times as a child when my other brothers and sisters were so upset that they could not eat their meals: is being a Stoic why I could always eat, no matter what upsets were going on around me?

THIS IS, IN PART, DUE TO THE STOICISM, BUT ALSO TO INTELLECTUAL CENTER’S STRONGHOLD. THERE WAS NO RATIONAL REASON WHY YOU SHOULD NOT EAT. STOICS ARE NOT DEVOID OF ALL FEELINGS; THEY CAN MERELY DETACH THEMSELVES IN A FAIRLY LOFTY MANNER FROM THE PAIN INVOLVED. OF COURSE, THEY ALSO DETACH THEMSELVES FROM MUCH OF THE PLEASURE ALSO.

Would it be possible to have the pleasure without the pain?

NO, THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. THEY ARE INSEPARABLE [because they are a Monad].

WE WOULD SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THERAPY AT THIS POINT. IT IS WITHIN THE CAPABILITIES OF ALL OF YOU TO RESOLVE YOUR LIFE CRISES AND WALK THE PATH OF SPIRITUAL GROWTH. WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO PROVIDE FOR YOU AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THIS WILL BE MORE THAN JUST POSSIBLE — IT WILL BE A REALITY. THE REJECTION OF THIS WILL BE A CHOICE THAT YOU WILL MAKE YOURSELF — REALIZE THAT. THERE ARE THOSE IN THIS GROUP WHO CAN GUIDE THE OTHERS IN PROVIDING SUCH A GROWING, NURTURING ENVIRONMENT, BUT YOU MUST CHOOSE. YOU ONLY HAVE A CHOICE; WE CANNOT MAKE IT FOR YOU.

Could we have a definition of a Realist?

THE REALIST PERCEIVES THE SITUATION AT HAND IN AN ALMOST INTELLECTUAL CLARITY, AND SUBCONSCIOUSLY APPLIES ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES WITH LIGHTNING SPEED, COMING UP WITH A WORKABLE SOLUTION WITHIN AN EXTREMELY SHORT PERIOD OF DELIBERATION. THE REALIST HAS FEW EXPECTATIONS OF [a] FANCIFUL NATURE, AND AS WOULD BE EXPECTED, IS GROUNDED IN REALITY.

SIXTH LEVEL OLD SOULS DO NOT NORMALLY INCUR HEAVY KARMA — THEY KNOW BETTER.

I would like to return to the comment you made at the beginning of the evening on the origin of the species, homo sapiens. We seem to ignore it with our egotistical questions.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE PROBLEM OF PERSONAL AGENDAS BEFORE. WE DO UNDERSTAND THIS DRIVE AND WE DO NOT DEPLORE IT. IT IS JUST THAT WE HAVE MUCH MORE TIME THAN ANY OF YOU, AND WE WOULD BE OF AS MUCH HELP AS POSSIBLE IN THE LIMITED TIME AVAILABLE. BEING IN A MORE INTIMATE SITUATION WOULD ALSO ELIMINATE THIS PROBLEM. WE WILL DISCUSS THIS QUESTION OF ORIGIN AGAIN SOON. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE SOME FOUNDATION IN THIS BEFORE YOU BEGIN TO EXPOUND.



 

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