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 February 9, 1974





Do all sexual encounters create karmic ribbons?

SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS ONLY CREATE RIBBONS IF OTHER CENTERS COME INTO PLAY. THE MOST FLAGRANT EXAMPLE, OF COURSE, BEING EMOTIONAL CENTER. THE WHOLE OF EROS IS JUST ONE LONG [karmic] RIBBON.

Can karmic ribbons be cut by changing Attitudes?

YES THEY CAN, BUT THIS ONLY COMES ABOUT WHEN THE SOUL RECOGNIZES BOTH THE RIBBON AND THE ATTITUDE. IF A SOUL IN CYNICISM REALIZES THIS CYNICAL ATTITUDE AND ITS APPLICATIONS IN A LIFE SITUATION, THEN THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED.

There was a question regarding sexual encounters being devastating.

WE HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, YES. KNOW, THOUGH, ALL OF YOU, THAT THESE [sexual karmic] RIBBONS ARE NOT AMONG THE MOST DEVASTATING.

Comment: If I have an erotic encounter and the other person goes off in a huff, that does not mean that I have created karma to work off. It does create karma, though, if there is lying, deceit, or distortion.

What constitutes pair bonds and how can we achieve this if we are part of a bond that is not “paired”? Also were such pairs as Daphne and Chloe, Eloise and Abelard parts of the same Entity?

SOME WERE PAIR BONDS. PAIR BONDS ARE FORMED IN ESSSENCE WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE PERSONALITY, AND ENDURE REGARDLESS OF THE HARDSHIPS AND OBSTACLES PLACED IN THEIR PATH. OFTEN THESE ARE TRAGIC, YES, BUT THE JOY OF THE ESSENCE OVERRIDES THE DISCOMFORT OF THE PERSONALITY. THESE BONDS ARE ALWAYS PERFECTLY MATCHED IN GOALS, ROLES AND ATTITUDES. THERE IS ALSO PHYSICAL ATTRACTION PROVIDED BY THE BODY TYPE. SOMETIMES THESE ARE FRAGMENTS OF THE SAME ENTITY AT THE LOWER LEVELS.

Clarify “perfectly matched”. Do you mean having the same Goals and/or the same Attitudes?

PRIMARILY TO COMPLEMENT ONE ANOTHER, SUCH AS THE WARRIOR AND THE KING; THE KING PREFERABLY IN ACCEPTANCE, THE WARRIOR IN GROWTH OR SUBMISSION.

Where do soul levels fit into the pair-bondings? Elsewhere a term called “heart-bonding” was used. What does this signify?

THIS WAS A TERM DESCRIBING THIS TYPE OF UNION.

Do Attitudes complement one another in the perfect pair-bonding?

YES, USUALLY WITH THE COMBINATION OF IDEALIST-REALIST BEING AMONG THE BEST, CYNIC-SPIRITUALIST AMONG THE WORST. THE PRAGMATIST CAN GENERALLY EXIST WELL WITH ALL OTHERS, AS CAN THE SCHOLAR.

How can we achieve this pair-bond? Can it be attained from where we are?

YOU CAN, OF COURSE, ACHIEVE THIS BY CENTERING, AND TOGETHER REACHING A STATE OF BALANCE IN ALL STRATA.

Does Centering go into Goals and Attitudes towards Growth and Spiritualism beyond what is listed?

YES IT DOES.

Is that wherein lies inequality?

SORT OF. THIS EQUALITY TAKES MUCH WORK.

It was said that Polynesians were in the Spiritualist Attitude. Are most of the people there Old souls in Stagnation?

MOST OF THEM ARE, YES, WHETHER LATE CYCLE MATURE SOULS IN GROWTH OR OLD SOULS IN STAGNATION.

How about skid row bums?

MOST OF THOSE WHO ESCHEW LIFE FOR ALCOHOL ARE MID CYCLE MATURE SOULS IN REJECTION. HOWEVER, SOME VERY HEAVY “SOCIAL DRINKERS” ARE MID CYCLE YOUNG SOULS IN DOMINANCE.

Are hoboes Old Kings in either Stagnation or Retardation?

MOST HOBOES ARE OLD KINGS IN EITHER STAGNATION OR RETARDATION.

What is meant by “alpha state”? To me it is just a term pertaining to the state of the brain and does not necessarily mean that a person in this state is experiencing astral travel, but that astral travel can be had in this state.

IT IS A CONVENIENT WAY FOR THESE SCIENTISTS TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING THAT THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY PERCEIVE A SOULLESS STATE IN A LIVING BODY. THE SOUL IS NORMALLY TO BE FOUND ON THE ASTRAL PLANE AT THESE TIMES.

Does the soul have measurable electric activity as measured in brain waves? Does soul generate an electric pattern?

SOMETIMES THIS HAS BEEN DONE BUT NO ONE UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY WERE DOING. THIS SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT WHEN A BODY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ”DEAD”.

In our conventional EEG [electroencephalogram — brain wave reading], it is a flat statement, all or nothing.

THAT IS VALID. THE BODY ALONE PRODUCES MUCH ELECTRICAL ACTIVITY SOLELY FROM NEURONAL CIRCUITRY. HOWEVER, THE PRESENCE OF THE SOUL PRODUCES THE COMPLEX PATTERNS YOU NOW SEE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ENCEPHALOGRAM. THE SOUL, WHEN IT LEAVES ONLY TEMPORARILY TO PROJECT TO THE ASTRAL PLANE, MAINTAINS A SLENDER THREAD WITH THE BODY, AND THIS CAN BE READ AS ALPHA WAVES. THE LIVING BODY PRODUCES SOME INTERMITTENT SPIKING ACTIVITY ALL BY ITSELF, BUT WHEN THE LINE IS FLAT, THE BODY HAS DIED AND THE SOUL HAS LEFT.

In a meditative state and astral projection occurs, what changes would be seen on the EKG [electrocardiogram]?

YOU SHOULD SEE ONLY A RHYTHMICAL ONE: A BRADYCARDIA [slow heartbeat].

How about EEG [electroencephalogram]?

ALPHA WAVES PREDOMINATE.

How about persons in a coma, are they astral projecting?

YES, MOST OF THE TIME.

It was said before that Fulton Sheen was a transcendent soul. Did he decide this in this life or what?

THE MAN, FULTON, BURNED ALL RIBBONS AND MADE THE TRANSITION WHILE ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE.

When did he decide to do this?

IT WAS WORKED THROUGH HERE. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO CHOOSE TO DO THIS AHEAD OF TIME. YOU MUST WORK FOR THIS.

What level soul was he and was he intuitive about this choice?

HE WAS A FINAL LEVEL OLD SOUL. HE REALLY DID NOT HAVE MUCH TO BURN. WHAT HE DID, HE FELT INTUITIVELY. YOU WILL, TOO.

Michael says that I’m in transition, in the Seventh Level Mature soul to Old soul. Did I choose this?

YOU CHOSE A SET OF TOOLS AND A PATTERN. WHAT THE FINISHED PRODUCT LOOKS LIKE IS UP TO YOU.

What is involved in fulfilling the soul requirements?

BETWEEN LIVES YOU CHOOSE PATTERNS.

Is the decision made between lives to be displaced by an Infinite or a Transcendental soul?

IT IS CHOSEN DURING THE ASTRAL INTERVAL, THEN REAFFIRMED ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE. THIS CHOICE IS USUALLY BASED UPON PAST PERFORMANCES AND THE EXISTENCE OF ONLY ONE INCOMPLETED MONAD.

Then Jesus was going over the discussion with the devil those forty days and forty nights. Did this have anything to do with the manifestation [of the Infinite soul]?

PART OF THE FEARS CONCERNING THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THIS WAS GOING TO TAKE PLACE, AND A LAST MOMENT OF LONGING TO LIVE OUT THE LIFE [happened then].

Comment: If you have sexual involvement and your emotions are not tied up, then it’s broken clean. If you’re moaning and groaning, there remain ribbons.

Music seems a good way to get into the higher Centers without creating ribbons [like you can with sex]. Can Michael hear our music? I wonder what they think of Bach. Do they have many-fold music “up there”?

WE LIKE VILLALOBOS AND MANY OTHERS OF YOUR CONTEMPORARY COMPOSERS. WE ESPECIALLY LIKE THE RITE OF SPRING, AND FEEL THAT THIS CAN BE USED AS A CONSCIOUS[ness] RAISING TOOL. WE LIKE PERCUSSION-HEAVY COMPOSITIONS. YES, SOME OTHER WORLDS DO HAVE LOVELY MUSIC. MOST OF THE MUSIC ON SOLEAL’S WORLD IS PERCUSSION-CENTERED, MANY STRINGS BUT NONE LIGHT LIKE THE VIOLIN. MANY OTHER WORLDS HAVE MOSTLY INSTRUMENTS SUCH AS THE LYRE. THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SOUNDS WE HAVE HEARD LATELY WERE PRODUCED ELECTRONICALLY. THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL, BUT YOUR WORLD IS NOT THERE, YET. INCIDENTALLY, THE LAST FRAGMENT OF THIS ENTITY PRECEDED BACH BY A FEW CENTURIES.

Opera seems the highest form of musical expression. I’m wondering if Michael thinks highly of Wagner, Puccini, Ravel? Have they ever heard The Balinese Monkey Chant?

OPERA IS ALSO ONE OF THE MOST ANCIENT FORMS OF MUSICAL EXPRESSION. PEOPLE SANG LONG BEFORE THEY PLAYED INSTRUMENTS. THE ISLAND SAGA[s] WERE ORIGINALLY SUNG. THESE OPERAS WERE LATER WRITTEN BY REINCARNATED FRAGMENTS OF A VIKING PRINCE. YES, WE LIKE WAGNER. WRITING THE OPERA IS A GIFT OF HIGHER EXPRESSION, YES, THE LIBRETTO, IF YOU PREFER. A FRAGMENT OF THIS ENTITY ONCE SANG OPERA.

Is current rock and what not an aberration? Is it soul music or what?

IT IS AS VALID AN EXPRESSION AS ANY OTHER MUSICAL FORM. ONE OF THE THINGS IT EXPRESSES IS TRANSITION. YOU WILL FIND TRANSITION HARMONICS AT THE CLOSE OF ALL THE CYCLES.

Is the “Superstition Wilderness” in Arizona a power spot?

IT IS A POWER PLACE, AN INDIAN BURIAL GROUND; CONSECRATED LAND.

What is the nature of the power in these places?

MANY PLACES, BECAUSE OF THEIR LOCATION, ARE GATHERING SPOTS FOR A RATHER PURE FORM OF ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION, WHICH WHEN CONFINED IN A BODY, BECOMES USABLE “PSYCHIC ENERGY”. THIS ENERGY REMAINS ROOTED TO THE SPOT SIMPLY BECAUSE THE SPOT ITSELF ACTS AS AN IDEAL SUPERCONDUCTOR. THIS TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THINGS SUCH AS HEIGHT OF LAND ABOVE OR BELOW SEA LEVEL, THE PRESENCE OF LARGER BODIES OF RELATIVELY COLD, DEEP WATER, THE PRESENCE OF DORMANT OR ACTIVE VOLCANOES OR LARGE MOUNTAINS WHERE SNOW REMAINS ALL YEAR. THE DESERT ALSO HAS BEEN AN IDEAL CONDUCTOR FOR POWER SINKS.

What happens to the people who live in low power spots?

THE PEOPLE THERE BEING DEFICIENT IN THIS FEED UPON YOU, JUST AS THE SAILOR WITH SCURVY [caused by vitamin C deficiency] FALLS UPON A LEMON [rich in vitamin C].

It’s the location, not the people then?

THAT IS VALID.

The people who live there draw it from those who go there?

IT IS MOSTLY KARMIC.

Can we stop the drain, the leaching process? Can we recharge our energy some way?

STOPPING THE DISCHARGE WOULD BE THE BEST COURSE, YES. YOU SHOULD NOW BE ABLE TO FEEL THE LEAK AND SIMPLY REFUSE TO ALLOW THEM TO FEED UPON YOU.

Does the power spot draw upon us directly, too?

NO. IT IS SUCH A POOR CONDUCTOR, IT CANNOT DRAW.

Guess after Friday night, I’ll have to move Gurdjieff to the back of the bookshelf.

WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL VERIFY THE INFORMATION WE GAVE OUT FRIDAY EVENING. THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT LESSON.

It confused me — all the “octaves”, “photographing” — and they said only the Centering and soul above the earth-body were valid; essence side of face is the opposite to that which we learned; the key to consciousness was “self-remembering” [Gurdjieff's term for being aware of awareness itself, and being aware of lack of separation of self from notself]. It was Gurdjieff’s theory that you needed this to become conscious. He had a bunch of stuff on higher hydrogens which were produced and refined by self-remembering. The whole theory of self-remembering is invalidated by Michael.

THE SOURCE FOR THE ENERGY IS THE SAME. THE SPEED [with] WHICH IT IS BURNED AS FUEL IS FASTER WHEN UTILIZED BY THE HIGHER CENTERS.

Clarify this.

THE FUEL IS THE SAME FOR ALL CENTERS. IT IS THE CONSUMER THAT IS DIFFERENT.

The production of fuel: does it have anything to do with self-remembering? In order to balance the Centers, we have to have a larger supply to reach higher Centers.

AN ANALOGY WOULD BE AN OLD FASHIONED STOVE WITH INSUFFICIENT INSULATION, A LEAKY CHIMNEY, AND AN INEFFICIENT FLUE COMPARED TO A BRAND NEW RADAR [microwave] OVEN. MOMENTS OF PURE CONSCIOUSNESS DO PRODUCE CONTACT WITH HIGHER CENTERS, YES.

Is self-remembering the way to produce psychic energy?

NOT THE WAY, SIMPLY THE BY-PRODUCT. THE SELF-REMEMBERING MUST BE PRODUCED FIRST THROUGH THOSE METHODS WE HAVE OUTLINED TO YOU [meditation, concentration, fasting, study]. THEN AS YOU GO PROGRESSIVELY TOWARD BALANCE, YOU AUTOMATICALLY WILL HAVE MORE AND MORE FLASHES OF CONSCIOUSNESS, OPENING THE DOOR TO HIGHER EXPRESSION.

Comment: That makes it sound like you generate what you need as you go along. There are check points to tell you where you are.

I would like to have a comment on how I felt after hearing The Most Happy Fella. I had the feeling that the main character was Christ-like and experiencing agape. It is a light, not heavy, musical.

YOU CAN REACH HIGHER EMOTIONS THROUGH MUSIC, AND CERTAIN RECURRING THEMES PRODUCE THIS MORE RAPIDLY THAN OTHERS.



 

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