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 February 20, 1974



Do various Roles have influence on the manner in which Goals are acted out? For example, does a Priest pursue the Goal of Acceptance in the same way a King in Acceptance would?

THERE IS A MARKED DIFFERENCE. FOR INSTANCE, SAMUEL GOLDWYN WAS A KING IN ACCEPTANCE. THE PRIEST IN ACCEPTANCE SEEKS TO PROVIDE ALL THOSE AROUND HIM WITH A MODICUM OF SPIRITUAL COMFORT. MOST OF THE TIME THIS COMES OUT AS SYMPATHY IN THE LOWER CYCLES. THE KING IN ACCEPTANCE MAKES THOSE AROUND HIM CONTENT BY PROVIDING SOME FORM OF EXCITEMENT AND A DISPLAY OF LEADERSHIP THAT IS FOR THE MOST PART “DISPLAY” IN THE EARLY CYCLES. NORMAN VINCENT PEALE [author of the book, “How to Win Friends and Influence People”] WAS A PR IEST IN ACCEPTANCE.

Could you capsulize on various Roles and how they approach life?

YES. BOTH ARTISAN AND SAGE APPROACH LIFE ARTISTICALLY AND WITH MUCH INNOVATION AND ORIGINALITY, SOMETIMES WHIMSICALLY, THE ARTISAN MANUALLY AND THE SAGE VERBALLY, THE ARTISAN THROUGH INSTINCT AND THE SAGE THROUGH INNATE WISDOM. THE WARRIOR APPROACHES LIFE WITH VIGOR, AS DOES THE KING, BOTH WITH TREMENDOUS VITALITY — NOT MUCH ANALYSIS BUT MUCH NEED TO FORGE AHEAD. THE KING MANIFESTS A TREMENDOUS NEED TO LEAD OTHERS. THE WARRIOR, WHILE OFTEN AN EXCELLENT LEADER BECAUSE OF THE INSTINCTIVE DRIVE, CAN BE A SOLITARY FIGHTER FOR A CAUSE. WE ALMOST HATE TO SAY THAT THE WARRIOR FACES LIFE COMBATIVELY, BUT THAT IS ESSENTIALLY VALID. BOTH THE PRIEST AND THE SLAVE FACE LIFE IN A SERVILE MANNER, THE SLAVE WITH A DESIRE TO WAIT UPON MAN, THE PRIEST WITH THE DRIVE TO WAIT UPON THE GODS. BOTH MAY MANIFEST THIS AS TIRELESS SERVICE TO MANKIND.

Can you compare a King in lower cycles [soul ages] to that of one in a higher cycle?

THE MAN, SAMUEL [Goldwyn], WAS A SECOND LEVEL YOUNG KING. THE YOUNG KING IS USUALLY “FLASHY”. THE OLD KING REGARDLESS OF GOAL IS USUALLY KNOWN FOR ALTRUISM AND EXCELLENCE IN LEADERSHIP, OFTEN MAGNANIMOUS AND WITH A READILY DISCERNIBLE AURA OF GREATNESS. (We asked for examples and the answer came at the end of this transcript.)

I would like to ask about a leader friend of mine. He is a Young Sage in Dominance, it was said before, yet I see in him the perceptions of an Old soul. He does want to change people to his way of thinking.

IT CAN ONLY MANIFEST INTELLECTUALLY AT THE LOWER LEVELS [Infant, Baby and Young souls]. FOR INSTANCE, THE MAN, E?, CAN “UNDERSTAND” THAT THAT IS A PART OF SOMETHING LARGER. YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT TO HIM AND HE WILL ACCEPT THIS INFORMATION BUT HE WILL NOT PERCEIVE IT.

NC: Is this also true of J?

YES.

NC: I would like to ask about MM, a key leader in TFR. He demonstrates an ability to accept people where they are and not try to change them.

HE STILL WILL NOT PERCEIVE, BUT HE WILL ACCEPT YOUR EXPLANATION WITH SOME RESERVATIONS AS LONG AS HE IS NOT EXISTENTIALISTIC IN HIS PRESENT BELIEF SYSTEM. THIS MAN IS NOT.

It was pointed out that in colorblind demonstrations, a word would appear to be different than the one seen by a person who was not colorblind. Somehow you believe what the scientists say even though you cannot see the same word that others see.

MJ: Do you go faster in a Goal of Growth? When is the Goal of Growth chosen? Is it because of karmic reasons that it is chosen?

IT CAN, OF COURSE, BUT IS USUALLY NOT DESIRABLE. THE GOAL OF GROWTH IS USUALLY CHOSEN, M.J., TO COMPLETE A MONAD.

ET: Do you choose all Goals in a cycle?

THAT IS USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS. SOME CHOOSE STAGNATION AND SIT OUT SEVERAL LEVELS IN A CYCLE — PLATEAUING-OUT ON LIFE — BUT THIS IS USUALLY AFTER SOME PARTICULARLY STORMY SESSIONS.

NC: Then would it be ideal in any Goal to switch to Growth in a life?

THAT IS VALID, BUT MOST NEVER SEE THEIR GOAL.

How does the Goal set up before birth?

THE SOUL MUST REVIEW THE KARMA INCURRED DURING THE IMMEDIATE PAST LIFE AND DETERMINE WHERE THE LESSONS LIE, THEN SET THE GOAL IN THAT LIGHT.

NC: Can karma be carried out for a long time?

YOU CAN CARRY IT ON FROM NOW UNTIL ETERNITY. THAT IS UP TO YOU.

NC: Do you have to work out karma with the person actually present?

YES.

CC: I understand that a person need not be present in order to acknowledge karma.

THAT IS VALID, BUT THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT MUST BE IN LIFE.

RC: Does essence force false personality to work off karma?

NO. IT IS MERELY THAT THE ESSENCE ACKNOWLEDGES THE DEBT. OF COURSE, MOST KARMIC RIBBONS ARE INCURRED BY FALSE PERSONALITY. REMEMBER NOW, ALL OF YOU, THAT ALL OF THE MYRIAD LITTLE INTERPERSONAL CRISES YOU WEATHER IN A GIVEN LIFETIME ARE NOT [karmic] RIBBONS.

What makes a karmic ribbon?

DELIBERATE ACTION: POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, OF COURSE.

RF: What is the criteria whether a ribbon is formed or not?

IF YOU COMMUNICATED ALL OF YOUR EXPECTATIONS, THE OTHER SOUL UNDERSTOOD ALL THE OPTIONS AND TOOK ACTION ON THAT BASIS, THEN A RIBBON PROBABLY EXISTS. MOST INTERPERSONAL CRISES REVOLVE AROUND UNFULFILLED EXPECTATIONS AND DO NOT INVOLVE KARMA OF A SUBSTANTIAL SORT. NEGLECT OF VERY YOUNG CHILDREN CONSTITUTES KARMA. BREAKING ENGAGEMENTS DOES NOT.

RF: I would like instances in my personal life.

LATER. WE WISH TO CLARIFY THIS FURTHER IN A BROADER SORT FOR EVERYONE’S BENEFIT. HOSTILE ACTIONS SUCH AS MURDER, ARMED ROBBERY, KIDNAPPING, ABANDONMENT, EMBEZZLEMENT OF LARGE SUMS OF MONEY, LEAVING OTHER SOULS DESTITUTE, ALL INCUR DEBTS THAT MUST BE PAID. HUMANITARIAN ACTS, GREAT COURAGE IN THE FACE OF OVERWHELMING ADVERSITY, ACTS OF PUBLIC ALTRUISM, ALL INCUR KARMA OF A POSITIVE SORT. THIS CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS A MAN HELPING ANOTHER TO START A SMALL BUSINESS TO A MILLIONAIRE GIVING HIS ENTIRE FORTUNE TO A RESEARCH ORGANIZATION. FITS OF PIQUE DO NOT INCUR KARMA. YOU CAN YELL AND SCREAM YOURSELF BLUE IN THE FACE AND NOT INCUR KARMA. YOU CAN HAVE THE NASTIEST TEMPER ON THE PLANET AND STILL NOT INCUR KARMA, UNLESS YOU HURT SOMEONE IN YOUR RAGES. EMOTIONAL PAIN IS SELF INFLICTED AND INCURS NO KARMA.

CC: Do you need to acknowledge all karma before you can become conscious?

THAT IS VALID. THERE ARE ALSO WHAT WE WILL CALL FOR THE MOMENT “SEQUENCES” THAT LINK SOULS TOGETHER LIFE AFTER LIFE AND ARE NOT TRUE KARMIC RIBBONS. IN THESE SEQUENCES SOULS AGREE TO PLAY OUT CERTAIN SCENES TOGETHER, AGAIN REVERSING THE GOALS AND COMPLETING MONADS. MANY OF YOU ARE IN SEQUENCES WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP, BUT THERE ARE NO KARMIC RIBBONS BETWEEN YOU.

NC: I would like to ask what “acknowledgment” means in CC’s comment. Does acknowledgment have to be in life?

CC: It is the teachings of Jesus, complete forgiveness, accepting it even if you do not know what for.

YOU MUST SOMEHOW PETITION FOR THIS, OTHERWISE, THERE IS NO COMMUNICATION.

CC: Can karma be worked out when the other party to the ribbon is not around?

IT IS DOUBTFUL THAT ANYONE NOT ON THE (spiritual) PATH WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THIS, C.C.

NC: If I have a falling out with someone and can see and can accept the reality and forgive him but he does not accept me, is there karma still there?

THEN THE COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN INCOMPLETE AND YOU MAY STILL FIND YOURSELF FACING THE BUSINESS END OF A SHOTGUN. ONE NEEDS ONLY TO BE AWARE THAT THERE IS A RIBBON, BUT FOR FULL UNDERSTANDING AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT, BOTH MUST KNOW.

Sometimes when I meet someone for the first time there is a closeness: is there karma there?

SOMETIMES THESE ARE SEQUENCES, SOMETIMES POSITIVE KARMA.

NC: Does a person’s altruistic acts produce karmic debts to those involved? Could you comment on [the publisher and philanthropist] William Randolph Hearst?

THIS MAN IS PAYING DEBTS INCURRED IN THIS LIFETIME. HE IS PAYING THEM RIGHT AND LEFT.

NC: When it is a positive gift, is the recipient in debt?

SOMETIMES.

CC: It would seem it would have to do with your motivations for giving away, like Albert Schweitzer; seems he’s in a good place.

HE PAID MANY [karmic debts].

Comment: Some of the poor people would not accept the food even if given away. I wonder about those who steal food when they are starving?

STEALING FOOD WHEN YOU ARE STARVING IS NOT KARMA.

ET: Hearst stated he now is a friend of the Simbionese Liberation Army [that kidnapped his daughter, Patty] even if they may not consider him a friend.

THAT IS TRUE FOR THIS FINAL CYCLE YOUNG KING IN GROWTH.

MJ: What is the SRGA of Patty Hearst?

THIS CHILD IS A PAWN. WHAT DOES THIS SUGGEST? THIS CHILD IS A MID CYCLE MATURE PRIEST IN REJECTION.

What is the SRGA of Hearst’s wife?

THIS BABY SLAVE IS IN SUBMISSION, A NICE MATE FOR THE KING.

RF: I would like to know the Role and Goal of his nephew, Bill Hearst. I would say he was a Mature Priest, intellectually centered, in rejection.

THIS IS A TROUBLED SOUL, BUT NOT A PRIEST. HE, TOO, IS A SLAVE; MID CYCLE MATURE IN SUBMISSION.

EM came in about 9:30 P.M. in the middle of M’s question and told us about the good experience he had had this evening. He had been in great pain all day and could barely walk. In fact, he is in constant pain all of the time. He has been doing transcendental meditation for nigh on to three years and had become rather discouraged that nothing ever seemed to come from it as he expected. He decided to sit down before dinner this evening with his mother and meditate together. Something happened during the meditation which he could not fully appreciate, but was able, after half an hour, to come to his ordinary senses and walk to the dinner table without pain, something he has not been without since he can remember (?).

He remembered the words that came through at the last meeting which were, “We should spend some time with EM soon”. He felt compelled to come to the C’s to share this incredible experience. He walked all the way up those many steps without pain and was truly grateful. We all meditated together after hearing this.

WE ONLY HOPE THAT BETWEEN US, WE MAY MAKE THIS A PERMANENT THING. IT WILL TAKE WORK. WHEN YOU FEEL THE PAIN, SEEK THE SPACE AND WE WILL BE THERE.

MJ: I am confused about my tearfulness and energy leaks and wonder where this recent tearfulness in me is coming from.

Comment: If the tears are coming from a positive place and there is love and communication, they probably are not an energy leak. If they are coming without a pattern, they are probably an energy leak.

TEARS ARE, OF COURSE, THE OUTWARD MANIFESTATION OF A WORKING EMOTIONAL CENTER. IF THE TEARS ARE SHED FOR NO REASON, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE CROCODILE TEARS, YOU CAN BE SURE THAT THE SOUL IS EMOTIONALLY CENTERED. INTELLECTUALLY CENTERED SOULS SIMPLY DO NOT CRY FROM INTELLECTUAL CENTER NO MATTER HOW TRYING THE SITUATION MIGHT BE. IN ADOLESCENT FEMALES ON THIS PLANET, THE TEARS ARE SOMETIMES A LEARNED RESPONSE, AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EMOTIONS. THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT UNBALANCED EMOTIONALLY CENTERED SOULS CANNOT CRY, FOR GOOD REASON: IT IS SIMPLY THAT THIS IS THEIR MOST FREQUENT RESPONSE, AND SOMETIMES IS EQUIVALENT TO THE BOY CRYING WOLF SO MANY TIMES THAT EVENTUALLY NO ONE ANSWERS. THE WOLVES GOBBLED HIM UP.

So what’s with MJ?

THIS MOVING CENTERED WARRIOR HAS FOUND HER EMOTIONAL CENTER.

How did the healing in EM take place?

WE HAVE SAID MANY TIMES THAT WE OFFER GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT. THE WORK IS YOURS. WE CAN SHOW YOU THE PATH. YOU MUST WALK IT. WE CAN SHOW YOU THE HEALING AND THE HEALER, BUT YOU MUST BE HEALED. FOR THE FIRST TIME YOUR ESSENCE (E.M.) WAS FREE TO RISE ABOVE THE BODY AND THE PAIN, AND EXPERIENCE FREEDOM. THIS IS SYNTHESIS ON A HIGHER LEVEL.

EM: It took me a half an hour to realize that I was all right.

WE WOULD REMIND YOU ALL AT THIS POINT THAT WHATEVER YOUR PRECONCEIVED FANTASY OF THE APPEARANCE OF THIS ENTITY IS, THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE ON THE ASTRAL PLANE UNTIL YOU CLEAR THE BLOCKS.

Can this be the beginning of the curing of EM?

THE PAIN, YES.

MJ: I would like to ask my soul Role and Goal, Bodytype and Center.

THIS LADY IS MOSTLY JOVIAL, SOME MARTIAL, AN EMOTIONALLY CENTERED FINAL LEVEL MATURE PRIEST IN ACCEPTANCE, A REALIST.

ET: Could we tie her in Entity-wise?

NOW THAT WE HAVE EXPLAINED SEQUENCES, TRY THAT. YES, SOME OF YOU HAVE KNOWN HER BEFORE. SHE HAS BEEN IN TEACHINGS BEFORE.

MM told us she felt affinities for strange people whom she would chance to sit beside on a bus, for instance. “I feel I’ve known them a long time. One lady said she was running away. I feel religiously drawn to certain people.”

Comment: If you like the devotion you see in a person, then there would be an attraction and Sequences.

MJ: I am starting meditation again and I would like to have some help on how to proceed. Chanting out loud helps me to get started and a counting method.

ET: Michael gave me a mantra which is good for me: “I am in all. All is in me.”

FIRST WE WOULD LIKE FOR M.J. TO LEARN TO CONCENTRATE. A CANDLE WILL BE A GOOD BEGINNING, THEN SHE CAN TRANSFER THE FLAME UPWARD AND INWARD, AND THEN SHE CAN MAINTAIN THE IMAGE WITH HER EYES CLOSED; THEN SHE WILL KNOW THAT SHE HAS ACHIEVED CONCENTRATION. ONCE IN THIS SPACE, THE SILENT CHANT CAN BE USED TO CLEAR THE MIND OF ALL TRIVIA. MOVING CENTERED SOULS HAVE GREAT DIFFICULTY WITH MEDITATION, AND USUALLY MUST PREFACE IT WITH SOME DEFINITE EXERCISE IN CONCENTRATION JUST TO TAKE THE MOVING CENTER OUT OF GEAR. JOHN MUIR WAS AN OLD KING IN ACCEPTANCE.

Where did the last statement come from?

THAT WAS IN ANSWER TO AN EARLIER QUESTION THAT S.C. BLOCKED VERY NICELY.

MJ: Would a silent mantra help?

IT CAN, OR YOU CAN USE THE ONE YOU HAVE NOW EXCEPT THAT THIS DOES PRODUCE SOME FRICTION WITH YOU AND THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED. “NEVER CHANGING, EVER FLOWING, ETERNALLY THE TAO” WORKS FOR SOME.

MJ: Does the location have any effect upon meditation, that is can one accomplish it better in certain areas?

YES. IT IS DIFFICULT TO MEDITATE IN VALLEJO. IT IS JUST A BIT BETTER IN NAPA.

MJ: Should there be a time limit?

WE WOULD RECOMMEND TRYING THIS FOR NOT LESS THAN TWENTY MINUTES. FOR YOU, M.J., PREFERABLY LONGER.

AH: Twice a day?

THAT IS VALID.

AH: I would like to know the SRGA of a person I met at DVC. She was reading [Jane Robert’s book] The Seth Material and I asked her how she liked it. She told me she had not gotten into it far enough to tell but she like it so far. She added that a friend of hers was getting material from a Ouiji board. I told her a bit about our group and she seemed interested.

THIS IS A FOURTH LEVEL YOUNG ARTISAN IN GROWTH, A SPIRITUALIST. SHE IS QUITE LITERALLY INTERESTED IN ALMOST EVERYTHING. SHE IS A DABBLER.

MJ: I would be interested if Michael could comment on a child my sister described seeing. She said to the mother that the child was wise — a year old baby.

THIS LITTLE ONE IS A FINAL LEVEL OLD SAGE. THE MOTHER IS NOT A BABY SOUL. OLD SOULS DO NOT CHOOSE BABY SOULS FOR PARENTS. SHE IS A SIXTH LEVEL MATURE ARTISAN.

JH: Are the majority of retired military people in Rejection?

NO. MOST RETIRED MILITARY OFFICERS ARE IN DOMINANCE. MANY OTHERS ARE IN STAGNATION.

Someone asked regarding Alexander the Great — if he had reincarnated in our time.

THE FRAGMENT THAT WAS ALEXANDEROS IS NOW A FIRST LEVEL OLD KING IN ACCEPTANCE.



 

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