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various Roles have influence on the
manner in which Goals are acted
out? For example, does a Priest
pursue the Goal of Acceptance in the
same way a King in Acceptance would?
A MARKED DIFFERENCE. FOR INSTANCE,
SAMUEL GOLDWYN WAS A KING IN
ACCEPTANCE. THE PRIEST IN ACCEPTANCE
SEEKS TO PROVIDE ALL THOSE
AROUND HIM WITH A MODICUM OF
SPIRITUAL COMFORT. MOST OF THE TIME
COMES OUT AS SYMPATHY IN THE LOWER
CYCLES. THE KING IN ACCEPTANCE
MAKES THOSE AROUND HIM CONTENT BY
PROVIDING SOME FORM OF EXCITEMENT
AND A DISPLAY OF LEADERSHIP THAT IS
FOR THE MOST PART “DISPLAY”
IN THE EARLY CYCLES. NORMAN VINCENT
PEALE [author of the book, “How
to Win Friends and Influence
People”] WAS A PR IEST IN
capsulize on various Roles and how
they approach life?
ARTISAN AND SAGE APPROACH LIFE
ARTISTICALLY AND WITH MUCH
INNOVATION AND ORIGINALITY,
SOMETIMES WHIMSICALLY, THE ARTISAN
MANUALLY AND THE SAGE VERBALLY, THE
ARTISAN THROUGH INSTINCT AND THE
SAGE THROUGH INNATE WISDOM. THE
WARRIOR APPROACHES LIFE WITH VIGOR,
AS DOES THE KING, BOTH WITH
TREMENDOUS VITALITY — NOT MUCH
BUT MUCH NEED TO FORGE AHEAD. THE
KING MANIFESTS A TREMENDOUS NEED TO
LEAD OTHERS. THE WARRIOR, WHILE
OFTEN AN EXCELLENT LEADER BECAUSE OF
THE INSTINCTIVE DRIVE, CAN BE A
SOLITARY FIGHTER FOR A CAUSE. WE
ALMOST HATE TO SAY THAT THE WARRIOR
FACES LIFE COMBATIVELY, BUT THAT
IS ESSENTIALLY VALID. BOTH THE
PRIEST AND THE SLAVE FACE LIFE IN A
SERVILE MANNER, THE SLAVE WITH A
DESIRE TO WAIT UPON MAN, THE PRIEST
WITH THE DRIVE TO WAIT UPON THE
GODS. BOTH MAY MANIFEST THIS AS
TIRELESS SERVICE TO MANKIND.
compare a King in lower cycles [soul
ages] to that of one in a
SAMUEL [Goldwyn], WAS A SECOND LEVEL
YOUNG KING. THE YOUNG KING
IS USUALLY “FLASHY”. THE OLD KING
REGARDLESS OF GOAL IS USUALLY
KNOWN FOR ALTRUISM AND EXCELLENCE IN
LEADERSHIP, OFTEN MAGNANIMOUS
AND WITH A READILY DISCERNIBLE AURA
OF GREATNESS. (We asked for
examples and the answer came at the
end of this transcript.)
would like to ask about a leader
friend of mine. He is a Young Sage
in Dominance, it was said before,
yet I see in him the perceptions of
an Old soul. He does want to change
people to his way of thinking.
ONLY MANIFEST INTELLECTUALLY AT THE
LOWER LEVELS [Infant, Baby
and Young souls]. FOR INSTANCE, THE
MAN, E?, CAN “UNDERSTAND”
THAT THAT IS A PART OF SOMETHING
LARGER. YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT TO HIM
AND HE WILL ACCEPT THIS INFORMATION
BUT HE WILL NOT PERCEIVE IT.
this also true of J?
would like to ask about MM, a key
leader in TFR. He demonstrates an
ability to accept people where they
are and not try to change them.
WILL NOT PERCEIVE, BUT HE WILL
ACCEPT YOUR EXPLANATION WITH
SOME RESERVATIONS AS LONG AS HE IS
NOT EXISTENTIALISTIC IN HIS
PRESENT BELIEF SYSTEM. THIS MAN IS
pointed out that in colorblind
demonstrations, a word would
appear to be different than the one
seen by a person who was not
colorblind. Somehow you believe what
the scientists say even though
you cannot see the same word that
you go faster in a Goal of Growth?
When is the Goal of Growth
chosen? Is it because of karmic
reasons that it is chosen?
OF COURSE, BUT IS USUALLY NOT
DESIRABLE. THE GOAL OF GROWTH IS
USUALLY CHOSEN, M.J., TO COMPLETE A
you choose all Goals in a cycle?
USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS. SOME CHOOSE
STAGNATION AND SIT OUT SEVERAL
LEVELS IN A CYCLE — PLATEAUING-OUT
ON LIFE — BUT THIS IS USUALLY
AFTER SOME PARTICULARLY STORMY
would it be ideal in any Goal to
switch to Growth in a life?
VALID, BUT MOST NEVER SEE THEIR
the Goal set up before birth?
MUST REVIEW THE KARMA INCURRED
DURING THE IMMEDIATE PAST LIFE
AND DETERMINE WHERE THE LESSONS LIE,
THEN SET THE GOAL IN THAT LIGHT.
karma be carried out for a long
CARRY IT ON FROM NOW UNTIL ETERNITY.
THAT IS UP TO YOU.
you have to work out karma with the
person actually present?
understand that a person need not be
present in order to
VALID, BUT THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT MUST
BE IN LIFE.
essence force false personality to
work off karma?
IS MERELY THAT THE ESSENCE
ACKNOWLEDGES THE DEBT. OF COURSE,
KARMIC RIBBONS ARE INCURRED BY FALSE
PERSONALITY. REMEMBER NOW, ALL
OF YOU, THAT ALL OF THE MYRIAD
LITTLE INTERPERSONAL CRISES YOU
WEATHER IN A GIVEN LIFETIME ARE NOT
a karmic ribbon?
POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, OF COURSE.
is the criteria whether a ribbon is
formed or not?
COMMUNICATED ALL OF YOUR
EXPECTATIONS, THE OTHER SOUL
ALL THE OPTIONS AND TOOK ACTION ON
THAT BASIS, THEN A RIBBON PROBABLY
EXISTS. MOST INTERPERSONAL CRISES
REVOLVE AROUND UNFULFILLED
EXPECTATIONS AND DO NOT INVOLVE
KARMA OF A SUBSTANTIAL SORT. NEGLECT
OF VERY YOUNG CHILDREN CONSTITUTES
KARMA. BREAKING ENGAGEMENTS DOES
would like instances in my personal
WISH TO CLARIFY THIS FURTHER IN A
BROADER SORT FOR EVERYONE’S
BENEFIT. HOSTILE ACTIONS SUCH AS
MURDER, ARMED ROBBERY, KIDNAPPING,
ABANDONMENT, EMBEZZLEMENT OF LARGE
SUMS OF MONEY, LEAVING OTHER SOULS
DESTITUTE, ALL INCUR DEBTS THAT MUST
BE PAID. HUMANITARIAN ACTS,
GREAT COURAGE IN THE FACE OF
OVERWHELMING ADVERSITY, ACTS OF
ALTRUISM, ALL INCUR KARMA OF A
POSITIVE SORT. THIS CAN BE AS SIMPLE
AS A MAN HELPING ANOTHER TO START A
SMALL BUSINESS TO A MILLIONAIRE
GIVING HIS ENTIRE FORTUNE TO A
RESEARCH ORGANIZATION. FITS OF PIQUE
DO NOT INCUR KARMA. YOU CAN YELL AND
SCREAM YOURSELF BLUE IN THE FACE
AND NOT INCUR KARMA. YOU CAN HAVE
THE NASTIEST TEMPER ON THE PLANET
AND STILL NOT INCUR KARMA, UNLESS
YOU HURT SOMEONE IN YOUR RAGES.
EMOTIONAL PAIN IS SELF INFLICTED AND
INCURS NO KARMA.
you need to acknowledge all karma
before you can become conscious?
VALID. THERE ARE ALSO WHAT WE WILL
CALL FOR THE MOMENT “SEQUENCES”
THAT LINK SOULS TOGETHER LIFE AFTER
LIFE AND ARE NOT TRUE KARMIC
RIBBONS. IN THESE SEQUENCES SOULS
AGREE TO PLAY OUT CERTAIN SCENES
TOGETHER, AGAIN REVERSING THE GOALS
AND COMPLETING MONADS. MANY OF
YOU ARE IN SEQUENCES WITH OTHER
MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP, BUT THERE ARE
NO KARMIC RIBBONS BETWEEN YOU.
would like to ask what
“acknowledgment” means in CC’s
comment. Does acknowledgment have to
be in life?
is the teachings of Jesus, complete
forgiveness, accepting it even
if you do not know what for.
SOMEHOW PETITION FOR THIS,
OTHERWISE, THERE IS NO
karma be worked out when the other
party to the ribbon is not
DOUBTFUL THAT ANYONE NOT ON THE
(spiritual) PATH WOULD BE ABLE TO
DO THIS, C.C.
I have a falling out with someone
and can see and can accept the
reality and forgive him but he does
not accept me, is there karma
COMMUNICATION HAS BEEN INCOMPLETE
AND YOU MAY STILL FIND YOURSELF
FACING THE BUSINESS END OF A
SHOTGUN. ONE NEEDS ONLY TO BE AWARE
THERE IS A RIBBON, BUT FOR FULL
UNDERSTANDING AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT,
BOTH MUST KNOW.
I meet someone for the first time
there is a closeness: is there
ARE SEQUENCES, SOMETIMES POSITIVE
a person’s altruistic acts produce
karmic debts to those
involved? Could you comment on [the
publisher and philanthropist]
William Randolph Hearst?
IS PAYING DEBTS INCURRED IN THIS
LIFETIME. HE IS PAYING THEM
RIGHT AND LEFT.
it is a positive gift, is the
recipient in debt?
would seem it would have to do with
your motivations for giving
away, like Albert Schweitzer; seems
he’s in a good place.
MANY [karmic debts].
of the poor people would not accept
the food even if given away.
I wonder about those who steal food
when they are starving?
WHEN YOU ARE STARVING IS NOT KARMA.
stated he now is a friend of the
Simbionese Liberation Army
[that kidnapped his daughter, Patty]
even if they may not consider
him a friend.
TRUE FOR THIS FINAL CYCLE YOUNG KING
is the SRGA of Patty Hearst?
IS A PAWN. WHAT DOES THIS SUGGEST?
THIS CHILD IS A MID CYCLE
MATURE PRIEST IN REJECTION.
the SRGA of Hearst’s wife?
SLAVE IS IN SUBMISSION, A NICE MATE
FOR THE KING.
would like to know the Role and Goal
of his nephew, Bill Hearst. I
would say he was a Mature Priest,
intellectually centered, in
A TROUBLED SOUL, BUT NOT A PRIEST.
HE, TOO, IS A SLAVE; MID CYCLE
MATURE IN SUBMISSION.
in about 9:30 P.M. in the middle of
M’s question and told us
about the good experience he had had
this evening. He had been in
great pain all day and could barely
walk. In fact, he is in constant
pain all of the time. He has been
doing transcendental meditation for
nigh on to three years and had
become rather discouraged that
ever seemed to come from it as he
expected. He decided to sit down
before dinner this evening with his
mother and meditate together.
Something happened during the
meditation which he could not fully
appreciate, but was able, after half
an hour, to come to his ordinary
senses and walk to the dinner table
without pain, something he has
not been without since he can
the words that came through at the
last meeting which
were, “We should spend some time
with EM soon”. He felt compelled
to come to the C’s to share this
incredible experience. He walked
all the way up those many steps
without pain and was truly grateful.
We all meditated together after
HOPE THAT BETWEEN US, WE MAY MAKE
THIS A PERMANENT THING. IT
WILL TAKE WORK. WHEN YOU FEEL THE
PAIN, SEEK THE SPACE AND WE WILL BE
am confused about my tearfulness and
energy leaks and wonder where
this recent tearfulness in me is
the tears are coming from a positive
place and there is love and
communication, they probably are not
an energy leak. If they are
coming without a pattern, they are
probably an energy leak.
OF COURSE, THE OUTWARD MANIFESTATION
OF A WORKING EMOTIONAL
CENTER. IF THE TEARS ARE SHED FOR NO
REASON, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE
CROCODILE TEARS, YOU CAN BE SURE
THAT THE SOUL IS EMOTIONALLY
CENTERED. INTELLECTUALLY CENTERED
SOULS SIMPLY DO NOT CRY FROM
INTELLECTUAL CENTER NO MATTER HOW
TRYING THE SITUATION MIGHT BE. IN
ADOLESCENT FEMALES ON THIS PLANET,
THE TEARS ARE SOMETIMES A LEARNED
RESPONSE, AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO
WITH EMOTIONS. THIS IS NOT TO SAY
THAT UNBALANCED EMOTIONALLY CENTERED
SOULS CANNOT CRY, FOR GOOD
REASON: IT IS SIMPLY THAT THIS IS
THEIR MOST FREQUENT RESPONSE, AND
SOMETIMES IS EQUIVALENT TO THE BOY
CRYING WOLF SO MANY TIMES THAT
EVENTUALLY NO ONE ANSWERS. THE
WOLVES GOBBLED HIM UP.
CENTERED WARRIOR HAS FOUND HER
the healing in EM take place?
SAID MANY TIMES THAT WE OFFER
GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT. THE WORK IS
YOURS. WE CAN SHOW YOU THE PATH. YOU
MUST WALK IT. WE CAN SHOW YOU
THE HEALING AND THE HEALER, BUT YOU
MUST BE HEALED. FOR THE FIRST
TIME YOUR ESSENCE (E.M.) WAS FREE TO
RISE ABOVE THE BODY AND THE
PAIN, AND EXPERIENCE FREEDOM. THIS
IS SYNTHESIS ON A HIGHER LEVEL.
took me a half an hour to realize
that I was all right.
REMIND YOU ALL AT THIS POINT THAT
WHATEVER YOUR PRECONCEIVED
FANTASY OF THE APPEARANCE OF THIS
ENTITY IS, THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL
SEE ON THE ASTRAL PLANE UNTIL YOU
CLEAR THE BLOCKS.
be the beginning of the curing of
would like to ask my soul Role and
Goal, Bodytype and Center.
IS MOSTLY JOVIAL, SOME MARTIAL, AN
EMOTIONALLY CENTERED FINAL
LEVEL MATURE PRIEST IN ACCEPTANCE, A
we tie her in Entity-wise?
WE HAVE EXPLAINED SEQUENCES, TRY
THAT. YES, SOME OF YOU HAVE
KNOWN HER BEFORE. SHE HAS BEEN IN
us she felt affinities for strange
people whom she would chance
to sit beside on a bus, for
instance. “I feel I’ve known them a
long time. One lady said she was
running away. I feel religiously
drawn to certain people.”
you like the devotion you see in a
person, then there would be an
attraction and Sequences.
am starting meditation again and I
would like to have some help on
how to proceed. Chanting out loud
helps me to get started and a
gave me a mantra which is good for
me: “I am in all. All is
WOULD LIKE FOR M.J. TO LEARN TO
CONCENTRATE. A CANDLE WILL BE A
GOOD BEGINNING, THEN SHE CAN
TRANSFER THE FLAME UPWARD AND
AND THEN SHE CAN MAINTAIN THE IMAGE
WITH HER EYES CLOSED; THEN SHE
WILL KNOW THAT SHE HAS ACHIEVED
CONCENTRATION. ONCE IN THIS SPACE,
THE SILENT CHANT CAN BE USED TO
CLEAR THE MIND OF ALL TRIVIA. MOVING
CENTERED SOULS HAVE GREAT DIFFICULTY
WITH MEDITATION, AND USUALLY
MUST PREFACE IT WITH SOME DEFINITE
EXERCISE IN CONCENTRATION JUST TO
TAKE THE MOVING CENTER OUT OF GEAR.
JOHN MUIR WAS AN OLD KING IN
the last statement come from?
IN ANSWER TO AN EARLIER QUESTION
THAT S.C. BLOCKED VERY NICELY.
a silent mantra help?
OR YOU CAN USE THE ONE YOU HAVE NOW
EXCEPT THAT THIS DOES
PRODUCE SOME FRICTION WITH YOU AND
THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED. “NEVER
CHANGING, EVER FLOWING, ETERNALLY
THE TAO” WORKS FOR SOME.
the location have any effect upon
meditation, that is can one
accomplish it better in certain
IS DIFFICULT TO MEDITATE IN VALLEJO.
IT IS JUST A BIT BETTER IN
there be a time limit?
RECOMMEND TRYING THIS FOR NOT LESS
THAN TWENTY MINUTES. FOR
YOU, M.J., PREFERABLY LONGER.
would like to know the SRGA of a
person I met at DVC. She was
reading [Jane Robert’s book] The
Seth Material and I asked
her how she liked it. She told me
she had not gotten into it far
enough to tell but she like it so
far. She added that a friend of
hers was getting material from a
Ouiji board. I told her a bit about
our group and she seemed interested.
A FOURTH LEVEL YOUNG ARTISAN IN
GROWTH, A SPIRITUALIST. SHE IS
QUITE LITERALLY INTERESTED IN ALMOST
EVERYTHING. SHE IS A DABBLER.
would be interested if Michael could
comment on a child my sister
described seeing. She said to the
mother that the child was wise —
a year old baby.
ONE IS A FINAL LEVEL OLD SAGE. THE
MOTHER IS NOT A BABY SOUL.
OLD SOULS DO NOT CHOOSE BABY SOULS
FOR PARENTS. SHE IS A SIXTH LEVEL
the majority of retired military
people in Rejection?
RETIRED MILITARY OFFICERS ARE IN
DOMINANCE. MANY OTHERS ARE IN
regarding Alexander the Great — if
he had reincarnated in our
THAT WAS ALEXANDEROS IS NOW A FIRST
LEVEL OLD KING IN
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