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December 27, 1973



27 December 1973
Walnut Creek
Is the next Overleaf "Attitudes"?
ESSENTIALLY, BUT WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO PLUNGE INTO THAT AT THIS TIME. WE
FEEL THAT TIME IS NECESSARY FOR ASSIMILATION.
NL: Is the automatic writing I got the same as what Michael is giving here?
MOST AUTOMATIC WRITING EMANATES FROM WITHIN THE INDIVIDUAL. THE PROCESS
RELAXES THE PERSONALITY IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE KNOWLEDGE CAN FLOW MORE
FREELY. IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, WE CAN ONLY SAY THAT SOMETIMES IT WOULD
BE EQUALLY VALID. TIME WOULD TELL HOW MUCH AND HOW OFTEN.
NL: Where does the information come from in changing from one level to
another? Is it from a different rate of vibration?
WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO. [The answer is:] NOT EXACTLY. THE
LESSONS LEARNED DO BRING ABOUT A CERTAIN REFINEMENT. HOWEVER, THE LEVEL
REFERS PRIMARILY TO AGING AND EXPERIENTIAL DATA.
PJ: I would like to ask the SR & G of my middle son.
THIS BOY IS A FIFTH LEVEL MATURE SOUL, A PRIEST. HE HAS ACCEPTANCE AS HIS
GOAL.
PJ: Could we check the soul and Role of E? Mature is good for M, but E seems
like the oldest soul I ever knew.
THIS CHILD IS QUITE SECURE WITHIN HIS PRESENT FRAMEWORK. NOT ALL MATURE
SOULS ARE TROUBLED. SOME ARE QUITE CREATIVE WITHIN A NURTURING ENVIRONMENT,
WITH AVOIDANCE OF STRESS AND HOSTILITY IN THE FAMILY MEMBERS. THIS CHILD
PICKS UP QUITE WELL ON ALL NEGATIVE VIBRATIONS, BUT DOES NOT ACT UPON THEM.
ET: We have assumed our understanding of the Centers is the same as
Gurdjieff describes. Are they talking of the same things, or is there some
modification?
THE INFORMATION [about Centers] PERPETUATED BY GEORGES GURDJIEFF IS VALID.
THIS CONCEPT CAN BE EXTRAPOLATED QUITE NICELY OUT TO WHOLE WORLDS, AS WELL
AS CITIES AND COUNTRIES.
ET: N commented on certain countries being Intellectually Centered.
NL: I was told once that I was spiritually centered. Is there such a Center?
WE THINK THAT THEY PROBABLY REFERRED TO THE FACT THAT N.L.'S GOAL IS GROWTH.
SOME CAN PICK UP ON THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF AN INDIVIDUAL'S ESSENCE
WITHOUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE IMPLICATIONS.
ET: I would like comments on energies used by various energy Centers.
ALL OF THIS ENERGY IS PSYCHIC ENERGY. IMAGINE A SUPERCONDUCTOR WITH MANY
TERMINALS, EACH REPRESENTING A DIFFERENT POWER DRAIN. IF ONE OF THESE USERS
OR CONSUMERS IS UTILIZING MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF POWER, THERE WILL BE A
CORRESPONDING LOSS IN THE OTHER AREAS, OCCASIONALLY EVEN SHORT CIRCUITS AND
BLOWN FUSES. THE POWER THAT ENERGIZES THE PSYCHE IS ALL THE SAME TYPE, OR
RATHER, THE SAME GRADE OF ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION. THERE IS NO REFINEMENT
FROM ONE CENTER TO THE OTHER UNTIL THE POWERS OF TRANSMUTATION BECOME YOURS
TO UTILIZE; THEN THIS ENERGY BECOMES CENTRALIZED CHANNELED, SO TO SPEAK.
WHEN WE SPEAK OF HARMONIOUS BALANCE, WE REFER TO THAT STATE IN WHICH THIS
CONCENTRATION IS REACHED. AND THIS ALSO GOES FOR THE RELEASE OF SPECIFIC
AMOUNTS OF ENERGY. EMOTIONALLY CENTERED MEDIUMS HAVE AN EASY TIME WITH
MANIFESTATIONS, AND ALSO BECOME EXCELLENT TRANSPORT MEDIUMS. THIS MEDIUM
(S.C.) IS NOT EMOTIONALLY CENTERED, AND IS NOT IN TOUCH WITH THE RELEASE
MECHANISM THAT WOULD ENABLE, OR AT LEAST ENHANCE, THE MANIFESTATION. ASTRAL
ENTITIES CAN MANIFEST WITHOUT ANY ASSISTANCE, WE CANNOT. WE MUST BORROW THE
ENERGY FROM ONE OF YOU, AND WE CANNOT DO THIS AGAINST YOUR WILL. WE WISH TO
REMIND YOU THAT THERE ARE TWO VERY SPECIFIC TYPES OF REACTIONS: IMPLOSION
AND EXPLOSION; ALSO, TWO SPECIFIC CHARGES IN POLARIZATION: NEGATIVE AND
POSITIVE. A GREAT DEAL OF THE ENERGY UTILIZED BY THE LOWER CENTERS IN LIFE
SITUATIONS ARE IMPLOSION REACTIONS WITH NEGATIVE CHARGES. CONTROLLED
REACTIONS OF THIS TYPE DO NOT EVER BECOME AS SPECTACULAR AS THEIR ANTITHESES
[the higher centers].
NL: Is our energy self-generated? Are we born with a certain amount of
energy and it regenerates?
THE BODY CAN BE THOUGHT OF AS THE VEHICLE, OR THE CONDUCTOR. THE ESSENCE
BECOMES THE SOURCE OF ATTRACTION, AND AS [spiritual] GROWTH OCCURS, CAN DRAW
UPON AN INFINITE POWER SOURCE. HOWEVER, THE AVERAGE SOUL USES A VERY SMALL,
A VERY FINITE, AMOUNT OF THE ENERGY AVAILABLE DURING A GIVEN PHYSICAL
INTERVAL. MOST OF YOU ARE SOMEWHAT SLUGGISH DUE TO CULTURAL INDUCEMENTS, AND
RARELY DRAW UPON MUCH ENERGY.
ST: Is there a commonality of soul level, Role, Goal, in different types of
handicapped people such as deaf, blind, mentally retarded, emotionally
retarded, those with learning disabilities, etc.? Are they definable as a
group?
SENSORY DEPRIVATIONS SUCH AS DEAFNESS AND BLINDNESS OFTEN ARE KARMIC.
HOWEVER, THERE IS MUCH COMMONALITY WITHIN THE EMOTIONAL DISORDERS. FOR
INSTANCE, MANIC DEPRESSIVES ARE ALWAYS MATURE, EMOTIONALLY CENTERED SOULS.
SCHIZOPHRENICS ARE MID CYCLE MATURE SOULS WHO HAVE EGO DISINTEGRATION
WITHOUT THE CORRESPONDING SPIRITUAL GROWTH. HYPERACTIVE CHILDREN NORMALLY
ARE MOVING CENTERED MATURE SOULS WITH RETARDATION GOALS. SPECIFIC LEARNING
DISORDERS, SUCH AS AGRAPHIA, ARE SOMETIMES KARMIC, BUT THIS IS RARE. IT
NORMALLY POINTS TO A MID CYCLE MATURE SOUL WHO HAS A RETARDATION GOAL. ON
THE OTHER HAND, GROSS MENTAL RETARDATION IS ENHANCED BY BAD GENES, ALTHOUGH
THIS IS CHOSEN FOR GROWTH. THE DISINTEGRATION OF THE PERSONALITY, HOWEVER
FALSE, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE INDIVIDUAL CAN HANDLE WITHOUT THE
CORRESPONDING LIBERATION OF THE ESSENCE. CHILDHOOD SCHIZOPHRENIA OR AUTISM
IS QUITE DIFFERENT, AND SHOULD NOT BE COMPARED TO THE ADULT PSYCHOSIS. THESE
CHILDREN ARE INFANT SOULS WHO HAVE PERCEIVED THE "NOT ME" AS HOSTILE AT AN
EXTREMELY EARLY STAGE, SOMETIMES SHORTLY AFTER BIRTH, OR EVEN DURING ACTUAL
BIRTH, AND HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY WITHDRAWN. CHILDREN WHO EXHIBIT UNWANTED
HOSTILITY, AND ARE SUBJECT TO LOUD OUTBURSTS AND ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIOR ARE
NORMALLY INFANT SOULS OF EXALTED ROLES WITH DOMINANT GOALS, WHO ALSO
PERCEIVE THE "NOT ME" AS HOSTILE. EMOTIONAL DISORDERS OCCUR FOR THE MOST
PART DURING THE MATURE CYCLE, AND ARE RELATED TO THE SOUL'S PERCEPTION OF
THOSE AROUND IT, HOWEVER ERRONEOUS THAT MIGHT BE. THIS CAUSES AN ENORMOUS
BUILDUP IN GUILT, AND ALSO HOSTILITY. WE CAN GIVE YOU AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE
OF A RELATIVELY FRAIL, INTELLECTUALLY CENTERED, YOUNG CHILD, A MID CYCLE
MATURE SCHOLAR, BORN INTO A FAMILY OF ACHIEVEMENT-ORIENTED WARRIORS WITH
DOMINANT GOALS. THE CHILD REACTS TIME AND TIME AGAIN WITH FAILURE.
EM: Can you discuss energy and the concept of the pyramid?
WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED IS THE PYRAMIDAL EFFECT, OR THE CHANNELING OF THE
ENERGIES FROM THE WIDE DISPERSION AT THE BASE TO THE NARROW FLOW AT THE TOP.
THE THEORY BEHIND THE PYRAMID IS OF COURSE SYMBOLIC. HOWEVER, MANY CANNOT
WORK WITHOUT A CONCRETE PHYSICAL MODEL REPRESENTING THE SYMBOLS. THIS IS NOT
BAD WORK, NECESSARILY, BUT YOU SHOULD LEARN TO BE A BIT MORE ABSTRACT. THE
LITERALNESS OF YOUR CULTURE IS AN OBSTACLE TO TRUE SPIRITUAL GROWTH. AT THE
TIME OF THE BUILDING OF THE GREAT PYRAMIDS IN EGYPT, THE BROTHERHOOD WAS
ALMOST SOLELY CONCENTRATED THERE. THEY REPRESENT THE OUTWARD SYMBOL OF THE
INNER STRENGTH.
MJ: I would like to ask what my soul, Role and Goal is. (The group
speculated on her Bodytype being probably a Mercury-Saturn, Old soul
Warrior. ES came up with a Scholarly Mature Six.)
THIS LADY IS A SEVENTH LEVEL MATURE WARRIOR WITH GROWTH AS A GOAL, WHICH
ACCOUNTS FOR THE "GUESSES" OF PRIEST. M.J. IS MERCURIAL-LUNAR, MOVING
CENTERED.
RH: Could you elucidate on the Lunar part: It is invisible to me.
THE COOLNESS IN DEMEANOR, LACK OF VOLATILE RESPONSE IN THIS PARTICULAR
SITUATION; BUT THE QUICKNESS OF MOVEMENT AND ALL OTHER QUALITIES POINT TO
MERCURIAL INFLUENCE. THE TYPICAL MERCURIAL TYPE WOULD REACT TO ASTONISHMENT
IN A MORE VERBAL FASHION, AND THERE WOULD BE MORE CHANGE OF FACIAL
EXPRESSION. EXAMINE THE LADY'S FACIAL EXPRESSION DURING THE REMAINDER OF THE
EVENING. THIS IS THE ESSENTIAL DIFFERENCE. THERE IS LESS MOBILITY THERE THAN
ONE WOULD EXPECT (from a Mercury).
EE: I would like to ask my soul, Role and Goal. They said I was a Second
Level Old soul, Sage before.
THIS YOUNG MAN IS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF JUPITER AND MARS, MOSTLY MARS. HE
HAS SUBMISSION AS A GOAL.
SB: I wonder why Michael called him "young." (EE told us he was 33.)
PJ: Have I changed my Goal from Submission to Acceptance?
P.J. IS RIGHT ABOUT THE ACCEPTANCE. THE MANIFESTATION HAS OCCURRED IN THIS
LADY AND SHE NOTICES CHANGES IN HER RELATIONSHIPS; BUT, NO, SHE HAS NOT
ALTERED HER ORIGINAL GOAL.
We remember the board as having transmitted the information that NL has
Artisan as her Role. Could we verify this, as NL does not feel this to be
so. Also, could we have the goal of ES? He seems Dominant.
WE DOUBT THAT WE EVER TRANSMITTED THE INFORMATION THAT N.L. IS AN ARTISAN.
IF THIS IS WHAT APPEARED ON THE BOARD, IT CERTAINLY WAS IN ERROR. N.L. IS A
WARRIOR. E.S. IS, OF COURSE, A DOMINANT SCHOLAR.
NL: I do not see that at all.
SB: I do not feel mine is right, either.
JUST THE FACT THAT BOTH N.L. AND S.B. WISH TO ARGUE WITH US ABOUT THEIR
ROLES AND GOALS SHOULD LEND SOME ACCURACY TO THE ASSIGNMENT.
BT: What is my Goal?
B.T.'S GOAL IS ACCEPTANCE. A DOMINANT KING IN YOUR MIDST WOULD LEAVE NO
DOUBT IN YOUR MINDS WHERE THE POWER LAY. S.B. HAS GROWTH AS HER GOAL.
AH: RL's Goal must be Dominance?
IT IS DOMINANCE.
BT: I do not see how one can have these Roles in each lifetime. It does not
jive. What have been some of my past lives?
YOU HAVE BEEN A REGIMENTAL COMMANDER FIFTEEN TIMES, BOTH IN THE CAVALRY AND
IN THE INFANTRY, FROM BABYLONIA TO THE PRESENT. THIS SUBORDINATE ROLE YOU
HAD IN THIS LIFE WAS QUITE UNSATISFACTORY. YOU WERE ALSO A PROVINCIAL
GOVERNOR IN AFRICA DURING THE SECOND CENTURY BEFORE THE COMMON ERA. YOU WERE
ACTIVE IN THE PUNIC WAR. N.L. WAS ALSO PRESENT AT THE SACKING OF CARTHAGE.
AS A GENERAL, YOU, B.T., USURPED THE THRONE IN SIDON EARLIER IN THE HISTORY
OF THAT CITY-STATE.
ES: Is my soul's movement random or purposeful? From the moment the soul
fragments into pieces then the evolutionary process evolves into ultimate
unity and the process is repeated. I see it as by chance and not happening
by purpose.
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT "CHANCE" BROUGHT THIS GROUP TOGETHER IN WALNUT
CREEK, CALIFORNIA? WE CANNOT BELIEVE THAT AT ALL. THE SEARCHING IS SOLELY
THROUGH ESSENCE, AND THE FALSE PERSONALITY FIGHTS THIS AS LONG AS IT EXISTS,
WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT SURVIVE TO THE BITTER END. ALL OF YOU WERE INVOLVED IN
A SPECIFIC SITUATION WHICH HAS NOW BROUGHT YOU TOGETHER IN A PARALLEL TIME
FRAME, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO COMPLETE THE MONAD. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO
INITIALLY CAME TOGETHER IN ROME AND SYRIA, PALESTINE, THERE IS THE TEACHING
OF CHRIST, WHO YOU ALL KNEW OF THEN, FOR YOU TO HEAR THIS TIME WITH
UNPLUGGED EARS. ONE AMONG YOU HEARD IT LOUD AND CLEAR THEN, AND WILL BECOME
AN ADEPT IN THIS PHYSICAL INTERVAL. S.C. WROTE A BOOK DURING THAT LIFETIME,
AND NOW SHE IS WRITING IT AGAIN. SOME CHANGES ARE BEING MADE. OTHERS ARE
PLAYING OUT ALMOST IDENTICAL LIFE ROLES AS YOU DID THEN. THIS WILL BECOME
MORE APPARENT AS WE PROGRESS.
SB: Are any of my Entity Fragments here now?
YES, YOU AND E.E. ARE PART OF THE SAME ORIGINAL ENTITY.
SB: I thought so. I had a strong feeling that this was so.
RH: Is part of NL's Entity here?
NOT YET, BUT SOON.
EM: If Scholars who are not Emotionally Centered have trouble with their
emotions, how can we overcome that part in us?
FIRST YOU MUST WISH THIS. MOST SCHOLARS HAVE LITTLE REGARD FOR EMOTIONAL
ENTANGLEMENTS, UNLESS THEY HAPPEN TO BE EMOTIONALLY CENTERED. MOST SCHOLARS
WOULD PREFER NOT TO BE BOTHERED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT GOES ALONG WITH
THESE INTRIGUES. THE WAY YOU CAN HANDLE IT IS TO BECOME BALANCED, AND THUS
COME INTO CONTACT WITH THE EMOTIONAL CENTER AND LEARN TO CONTROL THE OUTPUT.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS SPORADIC HIGH OUTPUT WITH LITTLE INSIGHT IT RESEMBLES
VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS.
EM: Sounds right.
CH: I would like to know my Center of gravity, and also what I was doing in
the parallel time frame.
C.H. IS AT THE MOMENT THE MOST NEARLY BALANCED OF ALL, BUT STILL PRIMARILY
EMOTIONALLY CENTERED. YOU WERE EMPLOYED IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF THE GOVERNOR OF
THE SYRIAN LEGATE, SULPICIUS QUIRINIUS.
NL: Could I have a confirmation on my Centering and Bodytype?
N.L. IS EMOTIONALLY CENTERED. S.B. IS MOVING CENTERED. N.L. IS MOVING TOWARD
BALANCE AND IS IN CONTACT NOW WITH HER INTELLECT; SUSAN WITH EMOTIONAL
CENTER. N.L. IS MOSTLY MERCURIAL; SOME VENUSIAN, NOT MUCH.
RH: What were some of NL's previous lives?
WELL, TO START, N.L. HAS ACTUALLY BEEN IN COMBAT THIRTY TIMES. THIS HAS BEEN
BOTH ON THE WINNING AND ON THE LOSING SIDE. SHE WAS A VIKING COMMANDER, AND
THIS WAS A PRETTY NON-COMBATIVE LIFE FOR HER: EXPLORATION WAS HER MOTIVE
THEN. SHE WAS WITH PIZARRO ON HIS EXPLORATIONS. ALSO N.L. HAS BEEN A FEMALE
ONLY FIVE TIMES. THESE LIVES WERE DIFFICULT FOR HER. IN ONE INSTANCE, SHE
WAS EXECUTED FOR SORCERY. THE SORCERY WAS GOOD IT WAS THE REACTION OF THE
PEOPLE THAT WAS BAD.
EM: If we were together in Rome and we are again now, what is our purpose?
THERE IS INDEED A PURPOSE. THIS TEACHING IS ONE OF SPIRITUAL GROWTH. THIS
TEACHING WAS OFFERED TO YOU BEFORE AND YOU REJECTED IT, AS MANY DID. NOW IT
IS UP TO YOU TO HEAR IT NOW OR WAIT ANOTHER TWO THOUSAND YEARS. IT IS
ESSENTIAL THAT YOU COMPLETE THIS MONAD. WE DO NOT PARTICULARLY CARE HOW LONG
IT TAKES YOU. WE SHALL BE AROUND [as a mid causal teacher] FOR AT LEAST THAT
LONG.
EM: What is so special about every two thousand years?
WE ARE REFERRING TO THE PHILOSOPHICAL CLIMATE EXISTING THEN WHICH HAS NOT
EXISTED SINCE, UNTIL VERY RECENTLY. THIS PHILOSOPHICAL CLIMATE MADE THE
CONDITIONS RIGHT FOR THE MANIFESTATIONS OF THE INFINITE SOUL. IF YOU WISH
SOME PARALLELS BETWEEN THEN AND NOW, WE WILL GLADLY EXPOUND. THE INFINITE
SOUL MANIFESTS AT TIMES SUCH AS THIS WHEN THERE IS MUCH PHILOSOPHICAL
STAGNATION, RACIAL AND RELIGIOUS STRIFE, AND THE EMINENT DESTRUCTION OF THAT
WHICH BINDS SOCIETY TOGETHER. IN ROME, AS NOW, LIP SERVICE WAS PAID TO
RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE, BUT THERE WERE PERIODIC PURGES AND REINSTATEMENT OF THE
STATE GODS. THE PARALLEL TO THIS OCCURRED IN NAZI GERMANY. THEY HAD
POLITICAL PARTIES WHERE THE LINES OF DEMARCATION HAD BECOME SO BLURRED THAT
NO ONE KNEW QUITE WHERE HE STOOD. LUXURY WAS AVAILABLE ON A WIDESPREAD BASIS
AND COULD BE OBTAINED THROUGH LITTLE EFFORT. THE WELFARE STATE CAME INTO
EXISTENCE. THEN CITIES WERE CROWDED, AND THE CITY DWELLERS WERE ALIENATED
FROM EACH OTHER. THERE WAS A DETERIORATION OF THE FAMILY AND THE RATIO OF
DISTURBED CHILDREN WAS COMPATIBLE WITH THE FIGURE NOW. THE WOMEN'S
LIBERATION MOVEMENT WAS CAUSING FEAR IN THE MEN, AND THEY WERE SO WORRIED
ABOUT THEIR VIRILITY THAT THEY HAD LITTLE INTEREST IN ANYTHING ELSE. THIS
BROUGHT ABOUT MANY SMALL WARS THAT WERE FOUGHT ON THE BATTLEGROUNDS RATHER
THAN THE BEDROOMS. DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? WALKING INTO A LATRINE DURING
THE FIRST CENTURY OF THIS ERA WOULD NOT BE AN UNFAMILIAR EXPERIENCE FOR ANY
OF YOU. YOU WOULD BE RIGHT AT HOME WITH THE GRAFFITI EXHORTING VARIOUS
SOLITARY SEXUAL PURSUITS.
SB: Was my name Fritz when I was that German Chief of Police?
MANNHEIM WOLFF. YES, HE WAS CALLED "FRITZ".
RH: It seems to me that ES's past lives were out of role for a scholar.
THOSE WERE ONLY A FEW OF THIS MAN'S PHYSICAL INTERVALS, AND THEY WERE NOT SO
FAR OUT OF ESSENCE AS YOU MIGHT BELIEVE. SCHOLARS DO NOT USUALLY LIKE TO
WORK, AND WILL PROSTITUTE THEMSELVES IN VARIOUS WAYS FOR THE QUICK KILL IN
ORDER TO LEAVE TIME FOR THEIR OWN SOLITARY PURSUITS. IN HER VERY FEW FEMALE
LIVES, S.C. MADE AN EXCELLENT PROSTITUTE, COMPLETELY DETACHED EMOTIONALLY,
AND ALL BUSINESS. E.S. WAS A VERY SCHOLARLY EXTORTIONIST.
RH: Didn't ES ever have any good, useful lives?
OH, MANY. E.S. HAS BEEN A LIBRARIAN OVER MANY FAMOUS COLLECTIONS, THE MOST
NOTABLE ONE BEING IN ATHENS DURING THE TIME OF PLATO.







 

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