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December 16, 1973



16 December 1973
Montclair
Present: CH, RC and SC, RH and AH.
Is there a general comment tonight?
WE ARE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. NO SPECIFIC COMMENT. LET US BEGIN WITH THE
QUESTIONS.
CH: Where does the conflict between [my sister] KH and me originate?
THIS CONFLICT IS ONLY IN PART KARMIC. IT MOSTLY STEMS FROM THE RACE FOR
POWER BETWEEN TWO STRONG, EXALTED ROLED [Young Priest and Old King] SOULS
WHO LIVE UNDER THE SAME ROOF. SOMEONE MUST EMERGE VICTORIOUS IN THIS CASE.
BOTH ARE DETERMINED, VERY STRONG SOULS. THE STRUGGLE FOR SUPREMACY HAS BEEN
THE HALLMARK OF THE RELATIONSHIP. SO FAR BOTH UNDERSTAND THAT THE POWER CAN
BE THEIRS. K.H., AT A DEEPER LEVEL, KNOWS THAT SHE IS TO LEAD; C.H. ALSO.
AH [their mother]: Does that mean that "CH knows that KH will lead?"
C.H. WILL LEAD IN THE SPIRITUAL SENSE. R.H. [their father] IS CORRECT IN
SAYING THAT THIS IS AN ANCIENT STRUGGLE. COMPARE THE STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE
CHIEF AND THE MEDICINE MAN.
CH: Can it be resolved in this life?
THERE HAVE BEEN HISTORICAL INSTANCES OF RESOLUTION. THE WAY IS NOT EASY, AND
IN MANY OTHERS RESULTED IN EVEN MORE STRAINED RELATIONS INITIALLY, BUT IT
CAN BE RESOLVED BY RECOGNIZING THE SOURCE OF THE CONFLICT AND CAPITALIZING
ON SOME OF THE POSITIVE FACTORS AS A BRIDGE ACROSS THE DEEP WATER. THE
STRUGGLE BETWEEN [Prime Minister] DISRAELI AND [Queen] VICTORIA [of England]
WAS RESOLVED IN THIS MANNER.
RH: Was there a prior conflict?
YES, THERE WAS. THIS TIME IT WAS IN ESSENCE. K.H. WAS A GENERAL AND C.H. A
PRIEST. C.H. WAS BISHOP OF COLOGNE. THIS WAS DURING THE FRENCH REVOLUTION.
CH: I would like to know the soul Age and Role and Bodytype of my friend,
VM. I would say, Old Priest, and she seems Venusian and Saturn at the same
time.
THIS LADY IS AN OLD PRIEST. SHE IS SATURNINE. SHE IS NOT VERY NEAT, BUT THIS
HAS TO DO WITH HER LEVEL MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. WE SEE NO VENUSIAN
INFLUENCE.
CH: How about an old boyfriend, CC. I would guess he is a Baby soul,
Mercury, and I cannot tell what his Role is.
THIS IS A FIFTH LEVEL BABY SOUL WARRIOR, A MERCURY-VENUSIAN, EMOTIONALLY
CENTERED.
CH: What about TD? I would say probably Mature level as she tried to commit
suicide last week. She has freckles and red hair, so I would say a Martial.
THIS EMOTIONALLY CENTERED LADY IS A STRANGE COMBINATION OF MARTIAL AND
VENUSIAN INFLUENCES. SHE IS A MID CYCLE MATURE SLAVE. A., (her husband)
THIS BABY SCHOLAR HAS NO EFFECTIVE DEFENSE AGAINST THE LADY'S DEMANDS. HE
RETREATS. SHE HAS NO DESIRE TO DOMINATE. WE THINK THAT IT IS A POOR
COMBINATION. NEITHER IS FREE TO MANIFEST NORMALLY.
IF BOTH ARE PRIMARILY IN ESSENCE, THEN TWO WITH THE SAME ROLE ARE MOST
COMPATIBLE AND THERE IS MUCH COOPERATION. MANY DO WELL IF THE EXALTED ROLES
ARE MATED WITH THEIR COUNTERPARTS IN THE ORDINAL ROLES. SCHOLARS DO BADLY AS
A GENERAL RULE IN THE INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS, BUT SOMETIMES [they] ARE
FAIRLY TRANQUIL WITH PRIESTS AND WARRIORS.
CH: I would like the soul Age and Role of my boss, JM. She is probably a
Baby soul, Martial (she is chubby and neat).
THIS IS A THIRD LEVEL BABY SOUL, A MARTIAL SAGE.
CH: What about my friend, J?
THIS IS A YOUNG MERCURIAL WARRIOR, EMOTIONALLY CENTERED.
CH: What about another friend, DG: is she a Jovial Slave, Mature level?
THIS LADY IS A FOURTH LEVEL MATURE SOUL, JOVIAL ARTISAN.
CH: Could her mother be a Slave and she takes after her?
NO, BUT A MID CYCLE MATURE SOUL LIVING WITH A BABY SOUL. THIS IS PERHAPS THE
VERY WORST COMBINATION WE CAN THINK OF.
AH: Could it be that the soul level information I have on my mother and
father are reversed? It was said my father was a Baby soul. He had so many
problems, and my mother didn't seem to have any.
HE DID NOT RECOGNIZE THEM AS PROBLEMS. WE REITERATE: THE LEVELS ARE REVERSED
FOR THE PARENTS OF R.H. AND A.H. NOT ALL MATURE SOULS HAVE INSOLUBLE
EMOTIONAL PROBLEMS, JUST AS NOT ALL MEN OVER FORTY HAVE CORONARY ARTERY
DISEASE.
RH: CH communicated with a high astral body the other night on the
typewriter. Could Michael communicate through her?
WE WILL COMMUNICATE WITH C.H. THERE ARE OTHER TEACHERS WHO LIKE TO
COMMUNICATE.
RC: On December 17th at 2:00 PM, will a new Messiah be born? (That was the
time BB said there would be one born.)
WE THINK THAT NOVEMBER THE 17TH 1973 IS THE DATE. WE DO NOT WISH TO TRANSMIT
THE NAME AT THIS TIME. THIS DATE CORRESPONDS TO THE DATE, OR RATHER, THE DAY
OF THE MONTH, THAT JESUS WAS BORN.
RC: Was Jesus a Scorpio?
NO.
RC: What astrological sign was he born under?
PISCES WAS THE SUN SIGN, GEMINI THE MOON, LEO THE ASCENDANT.
AH: Was I born in the AM or PM?
YOU WERE BORN IN THE EARLY MORNING.
AH: I would like to ask about a friend, CL. She might be Mercurial, but she
also seems Lunar, but she is not shy. I cannot figure her out. She is
probably a Mature level as she is somewhat troubled.
THIS C.L. IS A SOLAR-LUNAR, A MID CYCLE MATURE WARRIOR.
AH: I had a strange "I" [expression of false personality, in Gurdjieff
terminology], which appeared a couple of times the night we had our last
meeting. Everyone left except SB and CS. I had been working at the hospital
because of the hospital strike, and it seemed that they were trying to keep
me up so that I would be so tired that I could not go into the hospital in
the morning. I know intellectually that this is not so. Is there anything
there in past karma for me with either of them, as the feeling was strong. I
know I was also very tired from working at the hospital the past week.
THERE IS NO NEGATIVE KARMA FOR YOU. THIS WAS A FANTASY TRIP, A.H. C.S. WAS
VERY HIGH ON THE MARIJUANA AND WOUND UP LIKE A TOP. THE ONLY RESENTMENT THAT
SHE HAD WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT SHE COULD NOT USE THE OFFICE EQUIPMENT AND
WISHED TO DO THIS. NEITHER HAS MUCH EMOTIONAL TIES WITH LABOR UNIONS.
RH: When people act and look like a Warrior and then are not one, how can
this be? CS seems like a Warrior to me, and so does my daughter, VH, yet
they are both supposed to be Artisans.
NEITHER OF THESE YOUNG WOMEN HAS MANIFESTED [the fourth Milestone]. BOTH ARE
STILL SMARTING FROM UNSATISFACTORY EMOTIONAL ENTANGLEMENTS. WITH C.S., THE
MOST IMPORTANT THING IN HER LIFE RIGHT NOW IS TO ESTABLISH A LONG-TERM
RELATIONSHIP WITH A MALE. WHEN THIS HAS BEEN RESOLVED, THERE WILL BE SOME
RELAXATION. WITH V.H., THERE IS A MERCURIAL DRIVE TO ESTABLISH AN
INDEPENDENT CAREER AND JUSTIFY HER EXISTENCE TO HERSELF. IN V.H., THERE IS
CONSIDERABLE GUILT OF EARLIER WASTE OF POTENTIAL. WITH C.S., THERE IS A
DRIVE TO COME OUT FROM UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE YOUNG PRIEST WHO IS HER
FATHER, V.
AH: I would like to ask if my lips were sworn to secrecy in past lives, or
what is the reason I find myself with pursed lips when I wake up in the
middle of the night. My lips are sometimes tightened and I have to tell
myself to relax them. Is there anything from past lives here?
THAT IS VALID. IT IS AN UNCONSCIOUS GESTURE ON YOUR PART, SEALING YOUR LIPS
AGAINST POSSIBLE DISCLOSURE. YOU DREAM A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THIS, A.H., AND
THE PURSED LIPS ARE TENSION MANIFESTATION OF THE DREAMS..
AH: Was I sworn to secrecy?
IN THE DREAMS, YES. SOMETIMES IN WAKING THERE ARE FLASHES OF MEMORIES WHEN
YOU OVERHEARD STATE SECRETS, NOT ONLY IN THAT LIFE BUT WHILE PAINTING A
MURAL IN THE PALACE OF LONDON. THE MURAL IS NO LONGER THERE. IT WAS EARLY IN
THE NINTH CENTURY.
AH: I would like to ask about C's ear. His ear drum ruptured last August,
and he is still bothered by constant ringing. I took him to a second doctor
to make sure everything was healing right, and it apparently is OK. Why the
ringing all the time?
THE RINGING IS NOW MORE HABIT THAN ORGANIC. YES, IT WILL RESOLVE. AT FIRST
IT WAS TRAUMATIC.
AH: I would like to ask about KH's finger. She called her dad and was afraid
because it was paralyzed she had played her guitar so much.
HER FINGER IS STRAINED. IT WILL TAKE TIME TO HEAL. SHE WILL AGGRAVATE IT
MORE. THE ONLY THING THAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT IT WILL BE SORE.
RH: Why do we chose the Roles that we do? Why do we not all choose to be
Kings? I feel I am off the path. I have missed a couple of weeks [of our
meetings] because I am on call [at the hospital]. I have this emotional
difficulty. With the teaching, I should have been able to handle it. The
teaching should have made a difference.
THIS SHOULD SERVE TO SHOW YOU THOSE AREAS THAT NEED THE MOST CONCENTRATION.
NOTICE WE SAID "CONCENTRATION". THE OUIJA BOARD WOULD BE THE BEST FOR YOU
NOW. THAT APPLIES TO BOTH _____ AND _____ BOTH HAVE IDENTICAL CONFLICTS
BUT ARE EXPRESSING THEM DIFFERENTLY.
How can we help others if we can't help ourselves? I would like to ask about
spiritual materialism that is, using the powers of the teaching to draw
attention to myself. That is, using the teaching for ego gratification to
get a bevy of females following me, like _____. There is a conflict
developing here.
HAVEN'T YOU DISCOVERED YET THAT ALL THINGS WHICH ARE EGO-GRATIFYING HAVE AN
ELEMENT OF DELICIOUS CLANDESTINE GUILT ATTACHED? THE EGO SEEKS INTRIGUE AND
ADVENTURE; THE ESSENCE DOES NOT. THIS IS WHY THE MAN _____ COULD PLAY IT
STRAIGHT. HE HAD PERMISSION TO HAVE A FEMALE FOLLOWING, AND THERE WAS NO
GUILT. THERE WAS ALSO NO EGO-SATISFACTION. THIS IS WHY HE COULD NOT BE
SEDUCED SEDUCTION WAS NOT A SUITABLE REWARD TO HIM. WE FEEL THAT THIS
CULTURE IS AMISS IN NOT GIVING PERMISSION. SOMETIMES YOU MUST GO AND ASK FOR
IT. THE PERMISSION IS SYMBOLIC, BUT SOMETIMES IN THIS CULTURE, IT MUST
ALMOST BE LITERAL. IF MARIJUANA WAS ON SALE AT ALL CORNER STORES, FEW WOULD
SMOKE IT AT ANY RATE, NO MORE THAN SMOKE IT NOW, AND A FEW WOULD QUIT.
Is there such a thing as spiritual materialism, and is it bad?
THIS CONCEPT IS VALID, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE NOT SAID THAT IT IS BAD WORK TO
GAIN FROM THE TEACHING. THE ONLY BAD WORK IS WHEN YOU USE THE GAINS TO FEED
INADEQUATE PARTS OF FALSE PERSONALITY. THIS, OF COURSE, BUILDS UP A
TREMENDOUS DEFICIT, AND YOU SLIDE BACKWARDS. IF YOU CAN MAKE THIS NOT MATTER
SO MUCH EMOTIONALLY, YOU CAN TURN IT INTO POSITIVE SPIRITUAL MATERIAL GAIN
AND BENEFIT THE LADIES AND STILL HAVE THE PLEASANT FEELING BUT WITHOUT THE
GUILT.
I would appreciate a comment on my sharing my insights with people who do
not seem to care or understand what I am saying. It seems I am at a higher
level. Is this my ego dragging me down to a lower level?
THE WORDS NEVER FALL ON COMPLETELY DEAF EARS. SOME LEVEL PICKS UP ON IT. YOU
MUST, HOWEVER, BE PREPARED FOR OVERT REJECTION IN THE VERBAL FORM. YOU MUST
LEARN NOT TO ALLOW THIS TO THROW YOU FROM THE PATH. THERE ARE BOUND TO BE
REPERCUSSIONS. YOU PEOPLE ARE DECIDEDLY ABNORMAL, IF YOU REALLY WANT THE
TRUTH, AND YOU MUST GET USED TO THIS. IF YOU WISH TO BE NORMAL, YOU ARE
PURSUING THE WRONG PATH.
I have to look in people's eyes to tell the soul level. There is a nurse
whom I get a visual impression from and cannot explain it.
YOU ARE SEEING THIS LADY'S SOUL WELL. THIS LADY HAS MUCH UNTAPPED PSYCHIC
ENERGY AND WOULD BE FRIGHTENED BY OVERT ATTEMPTS AT TELEPATHIC
COMMUNICATION, BUT CANNOT AVOID TRANSMITTING. WE HAVE DISCUSSED SOULS AND
ROLES. NEXT WE DISCUSS "GOALS", BUT NOT TONIGHT. WE ARE SPEAKING OF LIFE
GOALS, NOT THOSE GOALS WHICH IMMEDIATELY FACILITATE THE UPWARD CLIMB.
It seems we have lost our aim with the ranch.
YOU MUST FIRST BE CONVINCED THAT THIS EXPEDIENT WILL IN TRUTH FACILITATE THE
ACHIEVEMENT OF THE GOAL, THEN YOU WILL ACT WITHOUT HESITATION. THE ESSENCE
ALWAYS KNOWS AND ACTS WITH OR WITHOUT THE COOPERATION OF FALSE PERSONALITY.
I am in my head at the hospital, in Moving Center playing golf, Sexual
Center in sex, but my Emotional Center is always "playing background music".
The Emotional Center seems to pull in the opposite direction.
THIS IS THE SENSATION THAT ACCOMPANIES THE BEGINNING OF THE MOVING TOWARD
HARMONY AND BALANCE. THIS SENSATION, HOWEVER UNPLEASANT IT MAY SEEM, HERALDS
BEING ABLE TO BRING ALL CENTERS INTO PLAY DURING ALL ACTIVITY, SO THAT THE
SITUATION CAN BE [intellectually] ASSESSED, [emotionally] FELT,  AND
[moving] ACTED UPON. NOT IN EVERY ONE IT DOES, BUT IN YOU THE EMOTIONAL
CENTER HAS COME IN FOR THE STRONGEST BARRAGE OF WORK. YOU MUST BE ABLE TO
SEE INTELLECTUALLY, FEEL EMOTIONALLY, AND ACT WITH MOVING CENTER ALMOST
INSTANTLY IN ORDER TO BE WORKING OUT OF ESSENCE THROUGH INTUITION.
In the Gurdjieff school, we were always supposed to remain neutral and not
go up and down. What you wish to separate from are all the peaks and valleys
of the false personality. The essence seeks ecstasy. Is there mental illness
on Soleal's planet?
THERE WAS A TIME IN THEIR HISTORY THAT THE INCIDENCE OF MENTAL ILLNESS WAS
ABOUT THE SAME AS IT IS ON YOUR WORLD, BUT WITH VERY DIFFERENT RESULTS.
REMEMBER THAT YOURS IS A MOVING CENTERED, MASCULINE WORLD. SOLEAL'S PLANET
IS AN INTELLECTUALLY CENTERED, FEMININE WORLD.
Is there a "myth of mental illness"? The mentally ill seek out a method of
getting what they want. Psychotics get what they want.
THOSE ON SOLEAL'S PLANET TAKE A GREAT DEAL OF TIME FITTING INDIVIDUALS WITH
ESSENCE ROLES. IN CHILDHOOD, THEY TEST SO EXTENSIVELY THAT THERE IS LITTLE
CHANCE FOR ERROR, THEN THERE IS LITTLE DISSATISFACTION. THEY HAVE AN
EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM THAT PROVIDES FOR EXTENSIVE OBSERVATION OF THE CHILDREN
DURING ALL WAKING HOURS.
With the seven Roles, there are three leadership Roles.
ALL OF THE MASTERS OF THE COMMUNES ARE SIXTH AND SEVENTH LEVEL OLD KINGS. BY
THE NATURAL EVOLUTION THERE ARE NO INFANT SOULS ON THAT WORLD (Soleal's),
AND THERE ARE ONLY SEVENTY THOUSAND BABY SOULS.
I have not been able to contact Perisot. I have only contacted him once. Can
I reach him again?
YOUR TIMING IS POOR. THEIR DAY IS MUCH LONGER, WHILE SOLEAL'S IS A LITTLE
SHORTER.
What time is best to contact Peridot?
EARLY IN THE MORNING WOULD BE BEST NOW.
Like two AM?
NO. WE WERE THINKING OF EIGHT OR NINE IN THE MORNING. HE IS AN ADEPT. HE IS
A STUDENT OF MINE. THAT, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IS A DENSELY POPULATED,
EMOTIONALLY CENTERED, MASCULINE WORLD. THEY ARE VOLATILE, EXPLOSIVE, AND
KIND ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
I read an article in a medical journal that the homogenization of milk may
be responsible for the high coronary artery disease incidence. The
homogenization of the fat particles allows them to get into the blood stream
undigested. Is this a fact?
YES. WHY DO YOU DRINK MILK?







 

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