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 April 24, 1974



Walnut Creek

Present: ET, RC and SC, SB, JA, CS, EM, JH, RH and AH.

ET had a question about a passage in [the Biblical book of] Revelations. Does this describe the Overleaves?

THE OVERLEAVES AS THE PLANES ARE INDEED MENTIONED IN THIS BOOK. THE MAN JESUS KNEW ABOUT THIS EVEN BEFORE THE MANIFESTATION. THE MAN JOHN [author of the book] DID NOT UNDERSTAND, BUT DREAMED ABOUT IT LATER IN TERRIFYING NIGHTMARES, AND SET THESE EXPERIENCES DOWN FOR POSTERITY. AGAIN, THE LOGOS IS COUCHED IN AMBIGUITIES, AS OCCURS SO OFTEN WHEN THE STUDENTS TRANSCRIBE THE MATERIAL WITHOUT BENEFIT OF EDITORIAL EXPERTISE. THIS WAS ALSO AN EMOTIONALLY CENTERED CULTURE THAT BELIEVED QUITE LITERALLY IN “PARAGOD" .IN ITS AMBIGUITY THAT PASSAGE IS AIMED IN THAT GENERAL DIRECTION, YES. THAT PARTICULAR PASSAGE REFERS PRIMARILY TO THE PHILOSOPHIC ATTITUDES.

ET: Do you mean the philosophic attitudes in the Bible?

NO; [we mean] THOSE ATTITUDES IN THE OVERLEAVES — THE PREDOMINANT PHILOSOPHICAL FLAVOR. THE OTHERS ARE ALSO MENTIONED. THE INFORMATION RECEIVED BY THE MAN EDGAR [Cayce] IN HIS TRANCES WAS DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO TRANSMIT AS IT WAS SO CONTRARY TO HIS OWN BELIEF SYSTEM. THE MORE RIGID AND ORTHODOX THE PERSON IS, THE MORE AMBIGUOUS THE TRANSMISSION WILL BE. WE WOULD ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS CONCERNING THAT BOOK.

ET: Do you have comments about Revelations 21?

THIS PASSAGE OF COURSE REFERS TO THE EMERGENCE OF THE NEW CYCLE. THIS WAS KNOWN OF EVEN THEN, THAT THE OLD CYCLE WOULD PASS AWAY, AND WITH IT THE OLD INSTITUTIONS AND THE OLD RIGIDITY — THE STORMY SEA. THE NEW CYCLE OF COURSE IS NOW BEING BORN AND THE OLD INSTITUTIONS ARE DYING OUT. SOME ARE TENACIOUS, BUT THE NECESSARY UNDERSTANDING IS NOW PRESENT IN A LARGE NUMBER OF SOULS ON THIS PLANET NOW, TO USHER IN THIS GOLDEN AGE THAT HAS BEEN PREDICTED. WE SEE THE BEGINNINGS. NEVER BEFORE IN THIS WORLD’S HISTORY HAS THERE BEEN SUCH A WIDE INTEREST IN SPIRITUAL GROWTH AS OPPOSED TO [words missing?] ALONG WITHOUT INTRINSIC MEANING AND REASON. THIS IS A VERY NATURAL CONSEQUENCE OF THE WORLD’S EVOLUTION, AND FARSIGHTED SOULS COULD SEE IT THEN. EACH TIME A CYCLE IS CONCLUDED IN THE PAST THERE WAS SOME RETROGRESSION, BUT EACH TIME IT HAS BEEN STEADILY DECREASING. THE “DARK AGES” WERE MUCH SHORTER, FOR INSTANCE, THAN THE TIME BETWEEN THE FALL OF THE MINOAN CIVILIZATION [about 1500 BC] AND THE RISE OF GREECE [about 600 BC].

Is Edgar Cayce correct in his translations?

HE IS MUCH MORE SUCCINCT THAN WE ARE.

What is the SRG on Swami Muktananda?

THIS IS A SIXTH LEVEL YOUNG SAGE. HE WILL DO NO HARM. HE HAS INDEED HAD A PROFOUND EXPERIENCE AND IS ABLE TO INSPIRE OTHERS TO FOLLOW HIS CHOSEN PATH, WHICH WHILE OUTSTANDING, IS NOT WRONG. HE IS A SPIRITUALIST, YES, AND IN DOMINANCE IN A PASSION MODE. A YOUNG KING WOULD NOT PLAY THIS ROLE.

What is a Spiritualist?

IT ENABLES THE SOUL TO LOOK BEYOND THE PHYSICAL REALITY FOR THE ANSWERS. MORE THAN THAT, IT NORMALLY COMPELS THE SOUL TO SEARCH IN THIS FASHION [beyond the physical]. IT ALSO RESULTS IN A FEELING OF ONENESS WITH THE COSMIC.

What are the Modes of EM, CS, RC and JH?

NONE OF THESE ARE PERSEVERATORS. E.M. AND R.C. ARE IN THE CAUTION MODE. J.H. IS IN THE OBSERVATION MODE. C.S. IS IN THE PASSION MODE, MUCH MITIGATED BY OTHER OVERLEAVES, BUT GRADUALLY ASSERTING ITSELF. WE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

What is the Mode of SB? Is she in Caution?

THE LADY S.B. IS CAUTIOUS, YES.

What is the Mode of JA?

YES, HE IS IN PASSION.

EM: [His question was not recorded.]

THERE IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION HERE TO BE MADE: IT IS THE FEELING THAT IS FORGOTTEN, NOT THE LESSON.

CS: What is my Centering, is it Emotional or Moving?

NOT SO. THE LADY C.S. IS TRAPPED IN THE EMOTIONAL PART OF MOVING CENTER.

EM had a question about physical pain.

NOT SO MUCH THE PAIN [is important] AS THE CONSEQUENCES OF AN ACTION OR THOUGHT PATTERN [regarding the pain]. THE PAIN IS PURELY A PHYSICAL PHENOMENON.

What is Kundalini? Is is true? High energy?

IN A BROAD SENSE, THIS IS WHAT YOU REFER TO AS SEXUAL CENTER — THE ENERGY THEREIN. IT IS A LIBERATING FORCE FOR THE ESSENCE.

EM: Moses “raised the serpent” and Jesus said, “If I be lifted up”, etc. What is the relationship to Kundalini here.

YES, THIS IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF MOVABLE ENERGY YOU HAVE AT YOUR DISPOSAL, AND THEREFORE THAT WHICH YOU CAN UTILIZE FOR EACH: THE EMOTIONAL STATES OR HIGHER EMOTIONAL CENTERS, HIGHER INTELLECTUAL CENTERS — WHICH ARE SYNONYMOUS WITH SUBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS [and] OBJECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS RESPECTIVELY. ALSO WITH THE SAME HAD LUST DESCRIBED BY THE YOGI [sic]. THE LOWER CENTERS ARE FIXED, AND THE ENERGY IS LIKE A CLOSED SYSTEM. THE HIGHER CENTERS ARE CAPABLE OF ECSTASY OR BLISS; THE LOWER CENTERS ARE NOT. THE SEXUAL CENTER OR THE KUNDALINI FORCE CAN ONLY BE BREACHED BY BRINGING THE LOWER CENTERS INTO HARMONIOUS BALANCE — IN OTHER WORDS, IN SEPARATING FROM THE MAYA OR ILLUSIONS FOR GLAMOUR OF THE PHYSICAL PLANE, AND BY GIVING UP YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT A SEXUAL EXPERIENCE “SHOULD” BE.

Someone had a question regarding sexuality and consciousness. Is it necessary to give up sex, or can consciousness be obtained without giving it up?

SOME DO [give up sexuality] WITH GREAT FACILITY [toward furthering their spiritual evolution]. OTHERS CHOOSE TO EXPERIENCE THIS [sexuality] CEREBRALLY [rather than physically]. BOTH ARE VALID. SOME DO. THIS IS THE GOAL OF MOST WHO CHOOSE THIS IN AN ENLIGHTENED VEIN.

SM: I have a question regarding a program on the radio.

IN THE SEARCH FOR SPIRITUAL GROWTH, AS IN ALL ELSE, THE CHOICE MUST BE MADE BY YOU. EXPLORATION IS TIME-CONSUMING, AND IF YOU ARE ABLE TO VERIFY THE INFORMATION GIVEN, THEN IT IS TIME WELL SPENT.

There was a question regarding Swami Muktananda. Has he had a profound experience?

THIS MAN CHOOSES NOT TO DENY THOSE VISIONS WHICH COME TO HIM DURING PERIODS OF INTENSE CONCENTRATION AND DURING DEEP MEDITATION. THEREFORE HE “FEELS” THAT WHICH MOST OF YOU APPREHEND INTELLECTUALLY. CONSEQUENTLY HE WAS ABLE TO FEEL THE CONTINUITY OF THE SOUL AND ACCEPT THIS AS VALID. THIS IS A FAIRLY PROFOUND EXPERIENCE.

What is the SRGA on N: Fifth Level Mature Warrior in Growth, a Pragmatist, Saturnine?

THIS LADY IS IN A POWER MODE, WHEREIN LIES HER PRESENT ENTANGLEMENT; YES, A MATURE WARRIOR, AND YES, IN GROWTH, BUT A SKEPTIC. THIS LADY IS IMPATIENT.

What is C’s SRG: Second Level Baby Slave, in Submission or Rejection, Venusian, Idealistic?

WE SEE NO REAL CHANGE EXCEPT AN ENVIRONMENTAL ONE WHICH MAKES HIM APPEAR MORE WOEBEGONE THAN HE REALLY IS: A FINAL LEVEL BABY PRIEST IN SUBMISSION; ALSO IN REPRESSION MODE. YES, HE IS AN IDEALIST.

What is the SRGA of LM: Solar, Young, Mercurial, Growth, Intellectually Centered, Moving part, Impatient in Observation?

THE LADY L.M. IS A FIFTH LEVEL YOUNG SCHOLAR, IN GROWTH, IN THE PASSION MODE; YES, IN THE MOVING PART OF INTELLECTUAL CENTER, A LUNAR MERCURIAL, AN IDEALIST.

Some one had a question regarding RF and his sincerity.

WE STILL SEE A GREAT DEAL OF IMPATIENCE HERE, BUT THERE HAS BEEN WORK AND THE SERIES OF PHOTOGRAPHS HAVE BEEN EXCELLENT. BODYTYPES DO NOT CHANGE — THEY ARE FIXED AT BIRTH. THIS MAN IS IN THE AGGRESSIVE MODE AND KNOWS THIS BUT THERE HAS BEEN WORK HERE TOO.

What is the SRGA of BR?

THIS MAN B.R. IS A FIFTH LEVEL OLD WARRIOR IN GROWTH, A SPIRITUALIST IN A PASSION MODE.



 

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