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 April 17, 1974



Present: CC and NC, CH and AH and RH, RC and SC, ET, EE, SM, NA, JH and JH, L, CD (first time), BL.

I read in previous notes that karmic ribbons must be burned. How are ribbons burned?

BURNING KARMIC RIBBONS CONSISTS ESSENTIALLY OF COLLECTING OR REPAYING DEBTS INCURRED IN THE PAST. ALL YOUR SEQUENTIAL PARTNERS DO NOT NECESSARILY REINCARNATE AT THE SAME TIME ALWAYS. THIS PROCESS MAY TAKE CENTURIES, THE PROBLEM BEING THAT YOU AS THE DEBTOR WILL STILL HAVE SUBLIMINAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE DEBT WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON TO WHOM IT IS OWED IS ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE. THIS WILL USUALLY RESULT IN SOME BARRIER TO SPIRITUAL GROWTH. SOMETIMES SOULS SEARCH FOR ENTIRE LIFETIMES, ARE RESTLESS AND INSECURE AND CANNOT GAIN ANY INSIGHT TO WHY THEY ARE COMPELLED TO SEARCH. THE PAYMENT OR COLLECTION CAN CONSIST OF A PHYSICAL REMITTANCE SUCH AS MONEY, OR AN EMOTIONAL ONE SUCH AS NURTURING, OR EVEN A SPIRITUAL BOND SUCH AS MASTER AND PUPIL. KARMIC RIBBONS CONCERNING VIOLENCE ARE USUALLY SETTLED WITH VIOLENCE IN THE EARLIER CYCLES. THOSE OCCURRING IN THE LATER CYCLES ARE USUALLY SETTLED MORE PACIFICALLY. WE WOULD ENCOURAGE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF ANY OF THESE. THE OLDER SOULS ARE GENERALLY NOT GIVEN TO COMMIT VIOLENT ACTS.

Is Michael willing to reveal to each of us our karmic debts?

YES. THESE SMALL SESSIONS ARE WORKABLE FOR THIS. MOST IN THIS GROUP DO NOT HAVE SUBSTANTIAL KARMA. THIS IS WHAT HAS FREED YOU TO SEEK THE TEACHING.

I am ambiguous in my perceptions of any ribbons with members of this group; I take it they are relatively clear, but are there ribbons existing with others outside the group?

MANY OF YOU HAVE HAD AND HAVE SUCCESSFULLY BURNED THESE RIBBONS, THEN OTHERS OF YOU ARE NOW IN THE PROCESS OF BURNING THE REMAINDER, AND YOU ARE AWARE OF THESE. OTHERS OF YOU WILL HAVE TO FINISH WHAT WAS STARTED IN THIS LIFE IN ANOTHER, AS DEATH AND DISTANCE HAVE INTERVENED.

Is there a relationship between a “#1” experience and karma?

WE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THIS IS ANOTHER WAY OF STATING WHAT WE HAVE SAID MANY TIMES. INCIDENTALLY, THE PRIMARY EXPERIENCE CAN ALSO BE EMOTIONAL (not only a physical accident such as falling off one’s tricycle and hurting your little knees).

We reviewed what we understood to be a #1, #2 and #3 experience. Physical pain may be the #1: since we do not think we can endure it, we cry or go unconscious and produce emotional trauma. Something related directly to the #1 is called a #2 experience. The #3 experience is something unrelated but which by association reminds us of the #1 experience which we have suppressed, so we have a headache or we vomit or we start eating, etc., ad infinitum.

Can one burn ribbons through an experience which involves no person other than yourself?

KARMIC RIBBONS RESULT FROM INTERACTION, EITHER WITH INDIVIDUALS OR WITH THE ENVIRONMENT. THE MAN, JAQUES COUSTEAU, DROWNED IN ANOTHER LIFE.

Does being in prison burn karma. (In life, are you paying your debt to society by being in prison?)

UNFORTUNATELY NOT.

The last Overleaf (Modes) seems so powerful that I’m wondering if it is driven by karma? Does burning karma change this Mode?

ESPECIALLY WHERE THE MODE OF APPROACH IS CONCERNED, YES. WITHOUT ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE DEBTS, THERE CAN BE NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE DRIVE.

Do we have to know with whom we have karmic ribbons?

SOME OF YOU PERSIST IN OLD PATTERNS DESPITE THE FACT THAT MAJOR OVERLEAVES WERE CHOSEN TO BURN RIBBONS THAT HAVE BEEN BURNED. STUDYING YOUR TOTAL PICTURE SHOULD ENABLE YOU TO SEE WHERE THE PERSISTENCE IS COMING FROM: THOSE IN PARTICULAR WITH STUBBORNNESS AND PRIDE [arrogance] AS CHIEF FEATURES; ALSO, THOSE WITH REJECTION GOALS AND REPRESSION MODES.

Is EE’s Mode Power?

NOT POWER BUT PASSION.

EE: Am I still predominantly in Submission? I feel I am moving toward Acceptance.

AS THE DOMINANT FLAVOR, YES, BUT YOU ARE TAKING A SERIOUS LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE. WE WOULD SEE YOU MOVE TOWARD GROWTH. WHY STOP AT ACCEPTANCE?

EE: One has to accept himself before he can grow.

In MJ’s absence I would like to ask for her about the thesis she is writing. She would like a comment.

WE, FOR THE MOST PART, WOULD AGREE WITH THIS THESIS. THIS IS PREDOMINANTLY AN ADOLESCENT, MOVING CENTERED WORLD IN A POWER MODE. GIVEN THIS, SHE IS MAKING A VALID HYPOTHESIS.

I would like a comment on a dream I had which was one of outpouring water from clouds. There was a nine year old girl teaching about the world. Can Michael comment on this?

ONLY THAT THE CHILD’S APPEARANCE IN THE DREAM IS INCIDENTAL. IT IS THE INFORMATION THAT SHOULD BE OF INTEREST TO HER. THIS DREAM SHOULD RECUR.

Can you comment on the seeming “holy spirit” which flowed in the dream?

WE WONDER IF YOU WOULD ACCEPT “EMOTIONAL FERVOR” IN LIEU OF “HOLY SPIRIT”. NORMALLY A DREAM OF RUSHING WATER COMES IN THE FACE OF A POWERFUL EMOTIONAL EXPERIENCE. THIS IS ONE REASON THAT HYDROTHERAPY WORKS.

ET: It was said through the information that ST has been receiving that ST and SB and others in that Entity are a part of the redispersed Fragments of Mary [the mother of Jesus]. Did they coalesce [reunite], then disperse [refragment]?

WE CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION AS TO THE NEWNESS OR DIFFERENCE OF THIS SITUATION. OUR ACCESS LEADS US TO BELIEVE THAT THE LADY IN QUESTION [Mary] WAS A MID CYCLE MATURE PRIEST, AND THAT SHE SUSTAINED SUFFICIENT EMOTIONAL TRAUMA DURING THAT LIFETIME TO CAUSE A PSYCHIC DISINTEGRATION. HOWEVER, OUR ACCESS ALSO LEADS US TO BELIEVE THAT THE RESOLUTION OF THE DISINTEGRATION OCCURRED NORMALLY ON THE ASTRAL PLANE. WE DO AGREE THAT THIS FRAGMENT [Mary] AND THE LADY, S.T., ARE ONE AND THE SAME, AND THAT THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF NONACCEPTANCE THERE [on ST’s part].

Was SB part of Mary?

THE LADY, S.B., IS OR HAS BEEN UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THIS PARTICULAR FRAGMENT FOR MANY CENTURIES. SHE FEELS THE STRENGTH OF THE PSYCHIC BONDING.

CC: Does the [Biblical metaphor of the] “virgin birth” have to do with the manifestation of Jesus as the infinite spirit?

WE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. COMING FROM PEOPLE WHO FEARED GREEK MYSTICISM, THIS WAS A NOVEL AND QUITE NATURAL EMBELLISHMENT.

Comment: There is a coalescence [reuniting in the Entity] of finished Fragments [who have no more karma], and if we “do our work”, we can draw on this knowledge.

It was said before that SM was with JH before. Were they related?

YOU [J.H.] HAVE BEEN ACQUAINTANCES BEFORE, AND FRIENDS, BUT NOT EVER RELATED BY BLOOD OR MARRIAGE. THIS ACCOUNTS FOR THE EASE OF THE PRESENT RELATIONSHIP.

CC: Was [my husband] NC in a Power Mode this weekend?

HE IS CAPABLE OF ASSERTING HIMSELF ON THE STRENGTH OF HIS OVERLEAVES; NOW HE WAS NOT [in Power]. SOMETIMES THOSE IN [the] OBSERVATION MODE CAN COME THROUGH WITH VALID POWER PLAYS ON THE STRENGTH OF THEIR OBSERVATIONS, GIVEN ENOUGH STRENGTH IN THEIR OTHER OVERLEAVES. STUBBORNNESS CAN SOMETIMES BE A POWERFUL INCENTIVE WHEN OTHERS WANDER OFF THE BEATEN PATH.

Could we have an interpretation of the Biblical parable about the man carrying a stone and asking for help and having to carry the stone twice as far. I can see a Slave saying, “Yes, I’ll carry it”, a King saying, “Carry it yourself”; a man in Power would hit him, etc. Could we have a comment on this parable in relation to Roles?

HUMILITY, WHEN COMING FROM AN ENLIGHTENED VIEWPOINT, CAN ENABLE EVEN A YOUNG KING TO GO THE EXTRA MILE. EVEN THE INDIANS OF THIS COUNTRY ESPOUSED THIS PHILOSOPHY BEFORE THE COMING OF THE WHITE MAN TO THIS CONTINENT, AND THEY WERE, FOR THE MOST PART, MATURE WARRIORS AND ARTISANS WITH SOME MATURE AND OLD PRIESTS INTERMINGLED. THIS IS A LESSON TO BE LEARNED, AS ARE ALL OF THE OTHERS. YES, R., IT DOES TAKE SOME [people] LONGER TO LEARN THIS THAN OTHERS. USUALLY THE ROLES OF WARRIORS, KINGS AND SAGES ARE AMONG THE LAST TO LEARN THIS, AND MUST GO THROUGH A LIFE IN ACCEPTANCE ON THE OLD CYCLE BEFORE THERE IS EVEN A GLIMMER OF THE TRUE MEANING OF HUMILITY. IT IS ONLY WHEN YOU CAN MAKE CARRYING THE ROCK MEANINGLESS THAT YOU CAN CARRY THE ROCK WITHOUT HOSTILITY. AS LONG AS CARRYING THE ROCK EVOKES EMOTION, THEN IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO CARRY IT IN THE DISPASSIONATE MANNER THAT TRUE HUMILITY REQUIRES.

ET [who has a Chief Feature of Arrogance]: I do not feel humble about something that happened at work. A person left at 4:45, leaving two patients that he should have taken care of.

RC: My “work ethic” gets in my way. My boss was supposed to be there in the afternoon to receive a call, but had gone sailing. I got “revenge” by calling him that evening at 9:00.

CC: That’s hard on the agape.

WE WOULD SPEAK OF AGAPE IN THIS CONTEXT, THANKS TO C.C. AGAPE SOMETIMES MEANS NOT ONLY NOT APPOINTING YOURSELF AS JUDGE AND JURY — AGAPE ALSO ALWAYS MEANS FORGETTING. NOTICE THAT WE DID NOT SAY “FORGIVE”. THIS IS BEYOND YOU AND IS FAR TOO ABSTRACT. WE SAID “FORGET”, AND THIS MEANS QUITE LITERALLY “THE END”. IT DOES NOT MEAN CRAWLING AWAY TO LICK YOUR WOUNDS AND TO PLAN A COUNTERATTACK. IT MEANS FORGETTING ONCE AND FOR ALL. THE CONCEPT OF AGAPE DOES NOT MEAN [require] PROXIMITY. IN PRACTICE, IT OFTEN CAN BE MORE EASILY APPLIED WHEN ONE MOVES AWAY FROM THE IMMEDIATE CAUSE OF THE HOSTILITY. THE MAN, R.B., KNOWS THIS.

CC: I would like to have more on the Moving Center and a description of the Moving part of Moving Center and the Emotional part of Moving Center.

WE DO RECALL THAT WE COVERED THIS, BUT WILL REITERATE BRIEFLY. THE SOUL THAT IS MOVING CENTERED ACTS OUT IN LIFE IN AN ACTION MODE. THIS, OF COURSE, MEANS THAT ONE TRAPPED IN THE EMOTIONAL PART OF MOVING CENTER WILL REACT TO A MOVING SITUATION WITH SOME TYPE OF PHYSICAL RESPONSE, SUCH AS DANCING WITH JOY, ETC. THE SOUL TRAPPED IN THE INTELLECTUAL PART OF MOVING CENTER WILL OFTEN RAMBLE FAR AFIELD IN THE SEARCH FOR KNOWLEDGE. THE SOUL IN THE MOVING PART OF MOVING CENTER APPEARS OFTEN AS A DRIVEN SOUL.

L: A psychic told me in treatment that my sex chakra was clear. What does that mean?

WE MUST ANSWER HONESTLY THAT WE’RE NOT SURE.

L: Is Freud’s theory about the unconscious death urge correct?

WE WOULD EXPLAIN IT IN A MUCH MORE SIMPLE CONTEXT. THE ESSENCE, OF COURSE, LONGS TO REUNITE WITH THE FRAGMENTS OF ITS ORIGINAL ENTITY, AND THIS CANNOT BE DONE ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE. THE BODY DESIRES SURVIVAL, AND INTERPRETS THE DESIRES OF THE ESSENCE AS ANTI LIFE, OR “DEATH”. THE BODY — WHICH INCLUDES THE FALSE PERSONALITY — CANNOT CONCEIVE OF A REALITY OUTSIDE OF THAT WHICH IT PERCEIVES WITH ITS FIVE SENSES. THIS GIVES RISE TO THE THEORY OF THE UNCONSCIOUS “DEATH WISH”, AS THE ESSENCE IS USUALLY SO DEEPLY ENCRUSTED WITH BARNACLES, AND DEATH SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY ANTITHESIS TO LIFE AS THE BODY UNDERSTANDS IT.

RH: As I see it, the essence desires liberation from the body. How can these #1 experiences carry over from one life to another when the essence is not of the body? — tragedies only happen to false personality, which is not of essence.

R.H., YOU NOW HAVE AN IMPORTANT INSIGHT TO WORK ON. THE GOAL IS TO LEAVE THE BODY FREE AND CLEAR. NO, IT DOES NOT AS LONG AS THESE UNFULFILLED DESIRES AND PRIMARY UNRESOLVED EXPERIENCES EXIST. THE ESSENCE DRAGS ITS BARNACLES AROUND WITH IT BETWEEN LIVES AND AFFECTS THE CARRYOVER, EVEN THOUGH A NEW PERSONALITY IS BORN IN THE NEW BODY.

BL: I would like some clarification on Solar Bodytype as a modifier.

AH: I’m wondering if Pablo Casals was a Solar-Mercury as he had so much more energy than any of the orchestra members (as I heard one tell me). He was at least 20 years older than any of the members and had more energy than any of them.

THIS WAS A MERCURY-SATURN IN A PASSION MODE.

BL: Can black people be Solar?

THERE ARE MANY BLACK PEOPLE BORN DURING PERIODS OF INTENSE SUNSPOT ACTIVITY. THE INFLUENCE IS THE SAME (even though one cannot see the fair skin).

BL: Are there any that we would know?

WE WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE SINGER, NAT COLE, WAS A LUNAR-SOLAR, EMOTIONALLY CENTERED, IN A PASSION MODE.

BL: He was gentle. Are there any pure Solars we would know,

NOT CLOSE AT HAND. THERE ARE A FEW. THIS IS A RARE OCCURRENCE.

Is Mia Farrow a Solar?

LUNAR-SOLAR. THIS GENERALLY PRODUCES AN EXCEPTIONALLY PHYSICALLY ATTRACTIVE BODY.

What about Audrey Hepburn?

MERCURY-SOLAR.

L: Is my daughter, G, a Solar?

LUNAR-SOLAR.

JH: Are the plans made on the astral plane?

OF COURSE. YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF NOT PLANNING AT ALL AND MAKING HASTY, LAST MINUTE CHOICES — WHICH IS PRECISELY WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO SOME SOULS WITH WHOM YOU ARE ACQUAINTED. USUALLY TOWARD THE END OF THE YOUNG SOUL CYCLE THE CHOICES BECOME BETTER, AND THE SOUL CHOOSES TO REVIEW THE PAST WITH FAR MORE THOROUGHNESS, AND ATTEMPTS TO STRIVE TOWARD COMPLETION OF THE MONADS. THERE IS ALSO MUCH “JUST PLAIN LIVING” AS THERE IS ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE. JUST AS YOU, AS STUDENTS, DO NOT PURSUE THE [spiritual] PATH TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY, SO THE ASTRAL BEINGS DO NOT EITHER. WE HAVE TOLD YOU ALL BEFORE THAT THERE IS LEVITY ON THE ASTRAL PLANE, AND TO BE AWARE OF THIS. THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT INTO SOME OF THE OPTIONS THERE.

L: My daughter is having a baby. Could you tell us what kind it will be?

WE PREFER NOT.

EE: Were RF an I brothers in past lives?

NO. YOU WERE RELATED BY BLOOD, THOUGH: UNCLE AND NEPHEW.

EE: Recently?

NO, MANY CENTURIES AGO, BUT MEMORY OF THE ESSENCE DOES NOT DIMINISH WITH THE ILLUSION OF PHYSICAL TIME.

L: Were P and I connected in some way before? I had an instant flash when I met her, one of knowing.

ONE HUNDRED OF YOUR YEARS FAR EXCEEDS THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE PHYSICAL BODY, AND, AS WE SAID BEFORE, THE PERSONALITY CANNOT CONCEIVE OF AN ABSTRACT BEYOND ITS FIVE SENSES, AND SO ONE HUNDRED YEARS IS MEANINGLESS ON THIS PLANE.

RH: Humility is not one of the Overleaves, yet it seems to be important. Could we have a comment? Should we be servants to have a sense of humility?

BEING HUMBLE IS IN NO WAY SIMILAR TO THE ROLE THAT A SLAVE ACTS OUT. BEING HUMBLE CAN ALSO MEAN DEFERRING TO THE MORE AGGRESSIVE YOUNGER SOUL. IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN WAITING UPON HUMANITY. YES, IT IS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO BE, AS COMPETITION IS MAYA AND ANTI GROWTH.

RC: I would like to ask the SRG of a girl I saw working in Napa for an incredibly hostile man. She remained impervious to his verbal assaults.

THIS IS A SIXTH LEVEL OLD SLAVE IN ACCEPTANCE.



 

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