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 21 August 1973



Is someone with us tonight?

WE ARE WITH YOU TONIGHT.

What is an adept?

AN ADEPT IS ONE WHO HAS CLEARED THE MIND OF ALL TRIVIA. THIS IS AN INTEGRATED BEING WHO IS FIRMLY COMMITTED TO THE PATH, WHO IS UNAFRAID TO LEAVE THE PHYSICAL PLANE FOR HOURS AT A TIME, IS THOROUGHLY VERSED IN THE OCCULT TEACHING, IS AWARE OF KARMIC TIES, AND HAS RECALL BEYOND THE GRAVE, CAN MATERIALIZE BOTH SELF AND OBJECTS FROM BORROWED ENERGY SOURCES, IS BOTH CLAIRAUDIENT AND CLAIRVOYANT. THIS MEANS NONATTACHMENT TO BOTH PLANES AND ITS INHABITANTS.

Can we achieve this when smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol?

IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE, JUST HIGHLY IMPROBABLE. THE ENERGY USED ON THESE ACTIVITIES CAN BE USED FOR THOSE ACTIVITIES. YOU ALSO NEED MORE SLEEP WHEN YOU DRINK COFFEE, SMOKE, OR DRINK ALCOHOL. SLEEP IS TIME WASTED. THAT IS THE MOST VALUABLE TIME OF ALL, AND THE TIME USUALLY LOST BY PEOPLE ON YOUR PLANE.

Who are we talking to tonight?

THE NAME I AM CALLED IS MICHAEL. THAT IS A CONVENIENCE AND NOT A TRUTH. ONLY ONE SMALL FRAGMENT OF THIS ENTITY HAD THAT NAME. WE ARE INTEGRATED FRAGMENTS OF A LARGER ENTITY. WE ARE THESE THEN. WE COME TO YOU FROM THE CAUSAL BODY AND NOT THE ASTRAL. YOU ARE ACCUSTOMED TO DEALING WITH ASTRAL ENTITIES.

What is a causal body?

THE CAUSAL BODY IS THE PLANE ABOVE THE ASTRAL PLANE. IT IS AN UPWARD STEP IN THE SPIRITUAL EVOLUTION. HEAVEN IS CREATED OUT OF ASTRAL MATERIALS FOR THOSE BETWEEN BODIES WHO NEED THAT EXPERIENCE BEFORE THEY REVIEW. SOME ALSO NEED THE EXPERIENCE OF HELL, AND THAT TOO THEY CREATE FROM ASTRAL MATTER. IT IS VERY PLIABLE — IT CAN TAKE ANY SHAPE YOU WISH. THIS IS THE STUFF USED TO CONJURE UP THE DEMONS. THEY CAN CAUSE ONLY THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGE THAT YOU ALLOW THEM TO, IN YOUR MIND. THERE HAVE BEEN MANY INSTANCES OF FRAGMENTS BEING LITERALLY FRIGHTENED TO DEATH BY PRODUCTS OF THEIR MINDS, MANUFACTURED FROM ASTRAL MATTER.

Can you manifest for us?

THE POWERS OF CONCENTRATION ARE NOT GREAT ENOUGH AT THIS STAGE TO OVERCOME THE NEGATIVITY IN THE ROOM. WHAT SHE SAYS IS TRUE THOUGH. YOU WOULD NOT SEE A MANIFESTATION IN A POSITIVE SENSE.

Will you be willing to manifest?

I WILL MANIFEST WHENEVER ALLOWED TO DO SO.

Does it help to have a group at the sessions?

THE GROUP FORMULATION WOULD PRODUCE COHESION. THIS COULD EVENTUALLY BE VALUABLE IF YOU WISH TO USE GROUP CONCENTRATION. THERE IS NO OTHER REASON.

Various questions were asked about humans reincarnating in animal forms. One student even thought she remembered a portion of a life spent as an animal.

IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THE ENTITY NOT EARTHBOUND TO THROW OFF FRAGMENTS AND CREATE EARTHBOUND ELEMENTAL FORMS. THIS DOES HAPPEN BUT IS NOT A TRUE EVOLUTION. THIS IS POSSIBLE ONLY FOR AN ENTITY NO LONGER EARTHBOUND. THE EARTHBOUND ENTITIES CANNOT HOLD ON TO THE FRAGMENTS. BY “EARTHBOUND” WE SPEAK OF THOSE WITH UNBURNED KARMIC RIBBONS WHO MUST STILL RETURN. THE CAUSAL ENTITY HAS THE ABILITY TO CREATE EARTHBOUND ELEMENTARY FORMS AND THROW A FRAGMENT OF THE ENTITY TO THAT FORM FOR ITS EARTHBOUND EXPERIENCE. THIS ONLY BECOMES NECESSARY OCCASIONALLY AND IS RARE. THERE ARE SOME STRONG TIES WITH CERTAIN EARTH ELEMENTALS. THE PROBLEM HAS ARISEN MORE OFTEN THAN NOT AMONG THOSE WHO HUNT AND EAT THE FLESH OF ANIMALS. THAT FRAGMENT SOMETIMES BECOMES A “RESTLESS SPIRIT”.

Do humans reincarnate in animal form?

HUMAN SPIRITS REINCARNATE IN HUMAN FORM WITHOUT EXCEPTION. THE ONLY KARMA INCURRED OF IMPORTANCE RELATES TO OTHER PEOPLE. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOMETIMES UNRESOLVED EMOTIONAL CONFLICTS IN THE ENTITY. WE HAVE SAID THAT ASTRAL MATTER CAN BE USED TO MATERIALIZE SELF AND OTHER OBJECTS. THE ENTITY CHOOSES THEN TO CREATE THE HUNTED AND EXPERIENCE THE HUNT. FROM THAT DIMENSION THIS EXPERIENCE IS REAL, IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS NEEDED TO PLAY OUT A SCENE.

Can astral matter materialize?

ONLY THE CAUSAL ENTITY HAS THIS ABILITY. NO OTHER ENTITY WOULD HAVE A REASON. THE ANIMALS THUS CREATED FROM ASTRAL MATTER ARE ONLY AS REAL AS ANYTHING ELSE CREATED FROM ASTRAL MATTER, BUT THEY GIVE THE FRAGMENT FROM THE CAUSAL BODY A SUITABLE VEHICLE FOR WORKING OUT AN UNRESOLVED CONFLICT. NOTICE WE DO NOT SAY “KARMIC." THESE ARE SHORT-LIVED EXPERIENCES.

We do this to ourselves?

THAT IS CORRECT.

Is it a good experience?

THAT WOULD BE VERY RARE EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF A TRANCE MEDIUM. IT WOULD ALSO SERVE NO PURPOSE.

How do animals fit in?

PHYSICAL ANIMALS HAVE ETHERIC AND ASTRAL VEHICLES. THEY HAVE A LIVE SOUL, NO — A HIVE SOUL, AS IN BEES.

Can we see the animals manifest?

YOU PROBABLY WOULD NOT SEE THEM UNLESS YOU HAD BEEN SELECTED AS THE HUNTER, AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU WOULD BE UNSUCCESSFUL IN THE HUNT. SELECTED PERSONS [can see the manifestation], YES. DON JUAN [of the Carlos Castaneda books] WAS ONE SELECTED. MANY DO SEE THESE MANIFESTATIONS BUT BLOCK THE EXPERIENCES. HE ALSO CREATED MANY OF HIS OWN.

What are “allies” [a term used by Don Juan in the Carlos Castaneda books]?

“ALLIES” WAS A WORD USED BY A RELATIVELY UNLETTERED BEING TO DESCRIBE THE FORCES MANIFESTING. SOME HE CREATED AND COMBATED. THIS ENABLED HIM TO OVERRIDE THE HEREDITY OF SUPERSTITIONS AND OPEN HIMSELF TO POSITIVE EXPERIENCE. HIS “MAN OF KNOWLEDGE” MEANS THE SAME AS “THE ONE IN WHOM THE LOGOS RESIDES”. THERE WERE NO WORDS IN HIS VOCABULARY TO DESCRIBE WHAT HE KNEW. HE COULD ONLY TAKE DISCIPLES OVER THE SAME ROCKY PATH, AND HOPE THAT THEY WOULD ARRIVE AT THE SAME PLACE. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR HIM TO HAVE AN OUTSIDER FOR A STUDENT, BUT HE DID SUCCEED.

Is self-remembering important? [“Self-remembering” is a Gurdjieff term meaning being present in reality with what you are doing, and the goal is to be present every moment of every day. It is the opposite of living in maya/fantasy.]

YOU CANNOT EVEN REMEMBER YOUR DREAMS ACCURATELY AND WHAT YOU HAD FOR DINNER LAST THURSDAY.

True.

I AM ONLY POINTING OUT TO YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT ALWAYS PRESENT, AND ONE REASON IS THAT YOU ARE STILL IN FANTASY TO A STILL INJURIOUS EXTENT. NOW, THAT ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE ASPIRANTS WHO DESIRE HELP WITH CONSCIOUSNESS RAISING TECHNIQUES. OTHERS CAN AND WILL DISREGARD THIS INFORMATION. IT SERVES NO PURPOSE TO THEM. YOU ARE AN ASPIRANT. TAKE HEART. THE ABILITY IS THERE.

There was a discussion about a “spirit” in someone’s house.

Are spirits real?

IT MAY BE AN ETHERIC VEHICLE. IF SO, IT WILL DECOMPOSE AS THE BODY DECOMPOSES. THEN YOU WILL BE ALONE AGAIN. THIS SOMETIMES HAPPENS WHEN ONE DIES SUDDENLY OR VIOLENTLY. THE ETHERIC VEHICLE IS THE INNERMOST AURA. IT BORROWS MINUTE QUANTITIES OF ENERGY FROM ANY AVAILABLE SOURCE — A CAT OR DOG OR YOU. IT DECOMPOSES RAPIDLY. THIS ENTITY CANNOT HARM YOU AT ALL. IT IS LIKE THE DURA [the tough sheath covering the brain] SANS THE BRAIN. THE ASTRAL BODY LEAVES IMMEDIATELY. THE ETHERIC VEHICLE CANNOT LEAVE — IT HAS NO POWER BY ITSELF. IT PROBABLY FEELS COMFORTABLE IN YOUR HOUSE. WE CAN TAKE IT AWAY. IT IS ONLY A SHADOW. IT HAS NO INTRINSIC ENERGY.

Is cremation a good way of disposal after death?

NO HARM, AS LONG AS THE CREMATION EVENTUALLY TAKES PLACE INCIDENTALLY. THE ETHERIC VEHICLE WILL DISAPPEAR UPON CREMATION. THAT IS A MORE DESIRABLE DISPOSAL OF BODIES.

Is meditation helpful?

MEDITATION?

Transcendental Meditation.

THERE IS A VERY GOOD FORM OF MEDITATION WHERE YOU ACTUALLY MEDITATE UPON THE CHAKRAS AND BRING THE AUM UP THROUGH THEM. YOU CANNOT TRANSMUTE ANY ENERGY YOU ARE NOT IN TOUCH WITH, HOWEVER, SO IF YOU SUDDENLY FIND YOURSELF UNABLE TO CONTINUE, THAT IS WHY. YOU NEED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH MOVING CENTER AND INTELLECTUAL CENTER BEFORE YOU CAN THINK ABOUT TRANSMUTING. _____ COULD READ [A.R.] ORAGE [a prominent leader of a Gurdjieff school in America] AND DO THE EXERCISES. IT WOULD HELP WITH THE DETACHMENT.

Is fasting healthy?

FASTING WHEN DONE PROPERLY LEADS TO THE LIBERATED MEDITATION. YOU SHOULD NOT FAST IF YOU ARE ILL OR IF THERE IS HONEST GRIEF OR PRESSURES OF PRIVATE AGENDAS.

How should we do it?

START WITH ONE DAY. GO TO TWO THEN THREE. DO NOT EXCEED FIVE AT THIS STAGE. TAKE PLENTY OF LIQUIDS AND BE QUIET AT FIRST. DO NOT DRIVE. THAT INCLUDES WATER, AND UNSWEETENED LIQUIDS AND FRUITS.

What about drinking milk during a fast?

NO MILK. YOU CAN FILL UP ON MILK.

Should we eat meat?

WE HAVE AN AVERSION TO THAT. IT IS ALL RIGHT, BUT NOT ADVISABLE OR NECESSARY. THE EATING OF FLESH IS NOT NECESSARY.

What about fish and chicken?

FLESH IS FLESH. FISH LIVE. THE FRUITS AND VEGETABLES REACT, BUT NOT TO THE DEGREE THAT ANIMALS DO. ANIMALS ARE CAPABLE OF FEELING FEAR.

Is it wrong to eat meat, fish and fowl?

NOT WRONG, JUST NOT ADVISABLE. AS YOU COME MORE IN TOUCH WITH YOUR ENVIRONMENT, YOU WILL EXPERIENCE MORE DISCOMFORT OVER THE EATING OF FLESH THAN PLEASURE. THERE AGAIN, WE SPEAK ONLY TO THOSE WHO SEEK THE PATH. GOOD NIGHT TO EVERY ONE.


 

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