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 19 June 1973


19 June 1973
There was a discussion to start out the meeting. Hypnosis in the contact of Tomas was discussed, and _____ agreed to undergo hypnosis to see if we could contact Tomas that way tonight. During the next few minutes, _____ talked to _____, putting her under hypnosis.

ASK ME WHAT YOU WANT TO ASK ME. HERE I AM, FELLAS.

Do you have any special topics for us?

NO, I HAVE NOTHING TO TELL YOU OTHER THAN WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR FIRST. THEN I WILL PROBABLY EXPOUND AT GREAT LENGTH, BECAUSE I HAVE MANY THINGS TO SAY.

Good. I have a question to start out with. Can this be personal?

OH MY YES.

There are many times when I am listening to a song or watching television or something when I have an unexpected emotional wave, and I feel like crying over something simple, soft and sweet, or whatever. These come at unexpected times. I wonder why these happen.

WELL, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS BECAUSE IT REVOKES A MEMORY FROM THE PAST — I DO NOT MEAN “REVOKES”, I MEAN “PROMOTES” — A MEMORY IN YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. IT DREDGES IT UP AND SUDDENLY IT IS THERE. YOU DON’T KNOW WHY, BUT YOU REMEMBER SOMETHING. IT MAKES YOU — DO YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHEN YOU HEAR A SONG IN THIS CONSCIOUS LIFE THAT YOU HAVE NOW, THAT BRINGS BACK A MEMORY THAT YOU HAD IN THE PAST, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY, IT REMINDS YOU OF A SUMMER AFTERNOON, AND SUDDENLY YOU FEEL A NOSTALGIC FEELING. THE SAME THING HAPPENS HERE, EXCEPT THIS IS BRINGING BACK A PLEASANT OR UNPLEASANT MEMORY FROM MAYBE THREE LIVES BACK. BUT IT IS ALL IN YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS. IT IS ALL THERE, AND THERE IS NOTHING TO EXPLAIN IT, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT YOU JUST ARE SUDDENLY AWARE OF A NOSTALGIC FEELING WITHIN YOURSELF — A SENTIMENTAL FEELING WITHIN YOURSELF — A GREAT LOVE POURING OUT OF YOU. TONIGHT I HEARD _____ SAY, “TEACH US HOW TO LOVE. HOW DO WE LOVE? HOW DO WE LEARN TO LOVE?” THE ANSWER, _____, IS BY LOVING.

Yes, well, that’s nice, but I am rather emotionally bland.

I THINK THERE ARE A GREAT MANY PEOPLE — NOW _____ IS A VERY, VERY IMMATURE PERSON. SHE IS A GIRL THAT DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO LOVE. SHE HAS MORE LOVE, AND GIVES EVERYBODY LOVE, BUT SHE DOES NOT LOVE BECAUSE SHE IS AFRAID OF LOVE. THIS IS PROBABLY TRUE WITH YOU. YOU LOVE, BUT YOU DON’T LOVE AS YOU FEEL LOVE, AS YOU WANT TO FEEL LOVE, THE DEEPNESS WITHIN YOURSELF. BUT THERE IS LOVE, THAT IS LOVE. YOU LOVE YOUR HUSBAND — BUT YOU DON’T THINK YOU LOVE YOUR HUSBAND. YOU LOVE YOUR MOTHER — BUT YOU DON’T THINK YOU LOVE YOUR MOTHER, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT EXPERIENCE THIS DEEP EMOTION THAT YOU SEE IN OTHER PEOPLE. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE FEEL?

Well, they say they do. I mean, they say they have lots more feeling than I think I do.

THAT’S TRUE. THAT’S TRUE, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE LOVE. YOU HAVE SO MUCH LOVE. IT TURNS OUT THAT ALL PEOPLE [do], BUT YOU DON’T “FEEL” IT. THIS IS GOOD.

Well, I don’t think I hate my mother.

YOU LOVE YOUR MOTHER. I DIDN’T SAY YOU HATED YOUR MOTHER. I SAID YOU LOVED YOUR MOTHER. YOU LOVE YOUR MOTHER, BUT YOU FEEL THAT YOU DO NOT LOVE YOUR MOTHER AS OTHER PEOPLE LOVE THEIR MOTHER. YOU LOVE YOUR MOTHER AS MUCH AS, IF NOT MORE THAN, OTHER PEOPLE LOVE THEIR MOTHER. THE FACT IS, YOU JUST DON’T THINK [you do]. BUT, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE COBWEBS IN YOUR BRAIN.

Along with all of the other things?

WHAT ELSE? BEFORE THIS SESSION STARTED, YOU ALL SAID YOU HAD A MILLION QUESTIONS TO ASK.

I have a question that interests me, and I don’t know why. There are a couple of astrophysicists on the East coast, whose writings would lead me to believe that they see beyond the veil. They are in a position where their books are automatically published, and people listen to them, and they are even connected to NASA. I wonder why somebody like you doesn’t come through one of then, to get this out.

HOW DO YOU KNOW WE DON’T?

Because it isn’t coming out.

IN THIS PLANE, THAT WE ARE ALL PRESENT ON AT THIS TIME, THERE ARE NO PERSONS, OF ANY INTELLIGENCE, AS YOU ARE QUOTING THE PHYSICISTS, THEY ARE ALL HELPED. THERE IS A SMALL, SMALL VOICE WITHIN EACH AND EVERY ONE, THAT TELLS YOU, AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE MERELY LEARNED TO UNCOVER AND LISTEN. YOU HAVEN’T LEARNED TO UNCOVER AND LISTEN, OR YOU TOO COULD DO IT.

I don’t understand. I’m confused. I could do what?

YOU COULD BECOME WELL VERSED IN ALMOST ANY SUBJECT, IF IT INTERESTS YOU, IF YOU CHOOSE. ALL PEOPLE CAN DO THIS IF THEY LISTEN, BECAUSE THE HELP IS ALWAYS THERE — ALWAYS THERE. NOW, THROUGHOUT YOUR PAST LIVES YOU HAVEN’T BEEN IDLE. YOU HAVE BEEN LEARNING. THERE IS A RECORD. YOU HAVE BEEN LEARNING EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, AND ALL OF THIS IS RECORDED. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN, AND IT ALL UNRAVELS. THROUGH EVERY LIFE, SOME LIFE WILL START OVER HERE AS ONE THING, ANOTHER LIFE WILL START OVER HERE AS ANOTHER THING. THIS LIFE WILL PURSUE ONE GOAL. TAKE MUSIC — THIS LIFE STARTS AND PROGRESSES THROUGHOUT ITS DIFFERENT ENTITIES, THROUGHOUT THE MUSICAL FIELD UNTIL A GENIUS BLOSSOMS FORTH. THIS PERSON OVER HERE DABBLES IN A LITTLE ART. IN THE NEXT LIFE IT DABBLES IN A LITTLE, OH, MEDICINE, AND THEN NEXT LIFE IT DABBLES IN SOMETHING ELSE. THEY ARE CONFUSED SO THAT THEY NEVER HIT THE RIGHT PLANE — BECAUSE THEY DON’T LISTEN. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN.

Tomas, if you don’t know what to listen to, when you have so many things going through your head at one time, you don’t know what to listen to.

THAT IS TRUE. THAT IS A VERY GOOD THING TO SAY. NOW I KNOW THAT THERE WERE TIMES WHEN I WAS ON THIS PLANE WHEN I WOULD HEAR THIS STILL VOICE, AND I WOULD ARGUE. IT WAS AS THOUGH I WERE ARGUING WITH MYSELF. I WAS UP HERE IN MY CONSCIOUS MIND, “NOW YOU LISTEN AND LET ME TELL YOU HOW THIS IS”, AND THE LITTLE VOICE WAS SAYING, “YOU LISTEN AND LET ME TELL YOU HOW IT IS”. I DIDN’T LISTEN — I WAS TOO SMART, SO, I HAVE TO, AND EVERYBODY HAS TO, KEEP GOING. BUT THAT LITTLE VOICE IS STILL THERE. IF YOU WILL QUIET YOUR OWN MIND, GET ON A SUBJECT THAT IS OF PROFOUND INTEREST TO YOU, AND LISTEN, YOU WILL HEAR. YOU AREN’T ARGUING WITH YOURSELF — THEY ARE TELLING YOU.

I would like to ask a question about Uri Geller, [and] the recent psychic phenomenon that produces certain miracles by forces, such as bending metal, making things disappear and reappear. He claims he is going to re-materialize a camera that was left on the moon by one of the astronauts, Edgar Mitchell. He also claims he is being guided by extraterrestrial forces, and that soon they will manifest themselves. Do you have any way of knowing if this is valid?

NO, I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF THIS IS VALID. IT DOES HAPPEN. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT IT IS NOT THROUGH HIS OWN PHYSICAL [power] — IT HAS TO BE THAT HE HAS PLENTY OF HELP. IT IS POSSIBLE; IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THESE THINGS TO HAPPEN. THERE IS A MAN FROM INDIA THAT CAN MAKE JEWELS — ANYTHING — MATERIALIZE. I WILL TELL YOU THIS: ANYTHING YOU WANT IS RIGHT THERE — RIGHT THERE. IF YOU SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A 20 KARAT DIAMOND TO PRESENT TO MY BRIDE, ITS RIGHT THERE — RIGHT THERE. BUT YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE. YOU HAVE TO SEE IT, BECAUSE IT IS ALL THOUGHT FIRST. THE MATERIAL IS RIGHT THERE IN THE END. THIS MAN THAT IS FROM INDIA CAN DO THIS BECAUSE HE HAS DEVELOPED HIMSELF THROUGH MEDITATIONS AND THROUGH RESEARCH AND THROUGH HIS TRAVELING DOWN THROUGH HIS VARIOUS LIFETIMES, UNTIL HE HAS REACHED THIS PLACE. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL THING, AND MANY PEOPLE DO REACH IT — MANY MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU REALIZE DO REACH IT.

Can you do this for us?

NO, NOT WITH THE CONSTANT POUNDINGS THAT WE HAVE. IT IS NOT EASY FOR ME TO STAY HERE WITH YOU, YOU REALIZE, UNTIL [the channel] GETS USED TO THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE CAN TALK THROUGH HER BODY, THEN SHE IS GOING TO HAVE TO COOPERATE. BUT SHE IS THERE FIGHTING ME EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

Where is she now?

OH, SHE’S HERE; SHE’S RIGHT HERE. SHE IS A QUIVERING MASS OF MESS. SHE IS A MESS BUT SHE IS A GOOD GIRL, BUT SHE DOESN’T WANT TO DO THIS. SHE DOES NOT WANT TO DO IT. NOW SHE HAS DONE IT MANY TIMES, AND SHE TALKS ALWAYS — ARGUES WITH ME CONSTANTLY. SHE ARGUES WITH ANYBODY THAT TRIES TO TALK TO HER BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT WANT TO DO THIS, BUT THIS WAS WHY SHE WAS PLACED HERE — SHE HAS TO DO IT. SHE HAS TO DO IT, BUT SHE DOES NOT WANT TO.

How long are you going to stay here with us?

HOW LONG DO YOU WANT ME TO STAY?

I would like to ask if the same applies to me?

NO. IT IS NOT SO DIFFICULT THROUGH YOU. IT IS JUST NOT AS HARD TO COME THROUGH YOU.

Why is it, when someone really wants to do this, like me, why is it so hard for anyone to come through?

YOU HAVE ABOUT ONE MORE LIFETIME TO DEVELOP. YOU ARE GOING IN GREAT STRIDES, BUT YOU DID NOT DO TOO MUCH BEFORE. YOU HAVE BEEN A SORT OF A GOOF-OFF, IF YOU WILL PARDON THE EXPRESSION. BUT YOU ARE MAKING UP FOR IT — YOU’VE MADE UP FOR THREE LIFETIMES. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IN THE NEXT LIFE THAT YOU COME THROUGH, YOU WILL PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE GREATEST PSYCHICS THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN. BUT YOU ARE GOING GOOD.

Does that apply to me too?

NO. YOU COULD DO GREAT THINGS IF YOU WILL JUST GET YOU OUT OF THE WAY. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS IN GETTING YOU OUT OF THE WAY. YES, THE EGO. YOU HAVE TO GET YOU OUT OF THE WAY. WHEN YOU CAN PUT YOU OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THE OTHER SHINE THROUGH, THEN YOU CAN DO IT.

Is that why I am having difficulty?
YES.

How do I put me out of the way?

IT IS NOT TOO HARD WITH YOU. YOU JUST KIND OF CLOSE YOUR EYES AND SAY, “WELL, THERE WE GO”, AND THERE YOU GO. YOU ARE A GOOD SUBJECT, A GOOD SUBJECT. YOU HAVE PEOPLE TALKING TO YOU ALL OF THE TIME, DON’T YOU? AND YOU ARGUE BACK, DON’T YOU? WELL, THIS IS WHAT [this channel] DOES — SHE ARGUES.

How do I put me out of the way?

YOU ARE DOING A GOOD JOB. YOU ARE DOING A BEAUTIFUL JOB. YOU JUST CLOSE YOUR MIND AND LET WHOEVER WANTS TO TALK IN. YOU WILL GET GREAT THINGS. YOU ARE WRITING A BOOK.

Yeah, well, I’m not, but there is a book.

IT IS GOING TO BE A GOOD ONE.

How do I start?

AT THE BEGINNING.

Can you show me the beginning?

NO, NO. FOR EVERY SOUL THAT IS HERE, YOU HAVE TO FIND YOUR OWN BEGINNING. WE HELP YOU FIND THE END, BUT YOU HAVE TO FIND YOUR BEGINNING.

Can I ask about my eyesight, if there is something in my past history somewhere that makes me see so poorly, like I can’t stand to look at the ugly, or something.

ALL DISEASE STEMS FROM MISGUIDED THINKING. THIS IS A THING THAT I THINK IS PREVALENT IN THIS PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME, IN THAT MEDICINE HAS ADVANCED TO THE PLACE THAT YOU GO TO THE DENTIST TWICE A YEAR, AND HAVE THE EYES CHECKED ONCE A YEAR, AND HAVE GLASSES. YOU START WEARING GLASSES, AND HAVE A LITTLE DEFECT THERE.

 

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